Perhaps the "older Seren" who chose to impart wisdom in the conversation
quoted in Public posts 788/789, should talk to members of a clan before
trying to instruct others about it's beliefs and actions.

He says "You can choose to bring about change through words and deeds,
or you can try by saying 'We won't come back until you change, which is
essentially what the New Leaf is doing.'"

Before New Leaf was founded there were members of the Serenwilde who
would become fed up with the leadership or the path of the commune who
would throw up their hands in despair and say "I might as well just
leave" and they would.

The whole reason New Leaf founded was to ask people to stop leaving, and
bring about change through their words and actions.

Not one person has joined the New Leaf then left Serenwilde of his or
her own free will. Exarius was kicked out for the act of founding the
New Leaf. Other members have been threatened with being kicked out of
the Serenwilde for joining.

No one has joined to say "we won't come back until you change." We have
joined to say "we're staying but want to see change."

Rhosyn

Penned by my hand on the 17th of Kiani, in the year 154 CE.