Casilu2011-06-07 23:48:05
QUOTE (Faymar @ Jun 6 2011, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Switching orgs can be done quite easily! (and I'm not necessarily talking about Magnagora here)
Tell me about it.
Lendren2011-06-07 23:54:31
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jun 7 2011, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Incidentally, IMO, moving to another org that isn't doing quite so well as your former org and then striving to help raise it up gives a pretty nice and warm feeling, along with the chance to play with new skills and get to know people. Plus it boosts the ego. A lot.
That's not really an option for Serens. In fact, it's one of the things holding Serens back from switching or quitting, the knowledge that it sucks so bad because of all the other people who switched or quit.
Xenthos2011-06-08 00:00:03
QUOTE (Lendren @ Jun 7 2011, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's not really an option for Serens. In fact, it's one of the things holding Serens back from switching or quitting, the knowledge that it sucks so bad because of all the other people who switched or quit.
I still don't get this. Serenwilde has so many people still. From the drama explosions it seems like a lot of them care. This leaves me wondering if Serenwilde itself doesn't suck to the bulk of people living there, it's just the old-timers who are missing their friends; in that case, those old-timers leaving wouldn't really affect much except their own sense of well-being.
Something about Serenwilde is still attractive to a large number of people. :/
Sylphas2011-06-08 00:10:34
QUOTE (Xenthos @ Jun 7 2011, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still don't get this. Serenwilde has so many people still. From the drama explosions it seems like a lot of them care. This leaves me wondering if Serenwilde itself doesn't suck to the bulk of people living there, it's just the old-timers who are missing their friends; in that case, those old-timers leaving wouldn't really affect much except their own sense of well-being.
Something about Serenwilde is still attractive to a large number of people. :/
Something about Serenwilde is still attractive to a large number of people. :/
I love Serenwilde for what it could and should be. I hate Serenwilde for the politics and drama and stupid :censor:. The first will never change, the second might, so I stay. If Glomdoring were just slightly different, I'd already have jumped long ago, but little things that I'm just not going to be cool with are keeping from ever doing it.
Serenwilde is not "Oh, we're the light/good/fluffy forest," or it shouldn't be. Too many people want us to be democratic and fair and respect everyone and all. That's great, but that's not how life works, and that's not how we've ever been portrayed in the histories. Serenwilde can be dark and brutal, but if you try that someone throws a fit. And then you either move to Glomdoring, who seem more conducive to that, or you get frustrated.
Unknown2011-06-08 00:37:19
P.S. Serenwilde isn't doing badly at all. Really.
They have villages, they have active combatants, politicians, etc., activa VA's, a good aetherbashing program, the ability to win revolts, flares, and so on.
If I had to venture a guess as to why people think SW is doing badly, at least on a macro level, I'd think it's because they keep comparing themselves to other orgs that aren't Halli or Gaudi.
They have villages, they have active combatants, politicians, etc., activa VA's, a good aetherbashing program, the ability to win revolts, flares, and so on.
If I had to venture a guess as to why people think SW is doing badly, at least on a macro level, I'd think it's because they keep comparing themselves to other orgs that aren't Halli or Gaudi.
Lilija2011-06-08 00:42:34
QUOTE (Sylphas @ Jun 7 2011, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Serenwilde is not "Oh, we're the light/good/fluffy forest," or it shouldn't be. Too many people want us to be democratic and fair and respect everyone and all. That's great, but that's not how life works, and that's not how we've ever been portrayed in the histories. Serenwilde can be dark and brutal, but if you try that someone throws a fit. And then you either move to Glomdoring, who seem more conducive to that, or you get frustrated.
Agreed. There's been times I look a bit longingly at Magnagora and Glomdoring sheerly for that reason. Mag mainly because summary execution as a form of punishment appeals to me, and the history/situation with Glomdoring is really appealing to me at this point. But, what with un-enemying, ticking off a lot of people, and hopping orgs yet again, I can't see myself jumping to either. I was hasty once with changing orgs, realizing it wasn't quite what I expected, and came back with my tail tucked between my legs. My bad for not creating an alt of some variety and actually seeing how the situation was in the other org. I didn't mind the idea of going into a struggle, and a lot of good folks were helping me along and rooting for me, but I was overwhelmed by the whole situation.
That, and making big decisions while pregnant and overly hormonal is a nono. I know that know
Lendren2011-06-08 01:00:21
Umm, yeah, sure. That's what that was about. Hey, look, something shiny.
Lilija2011-06-08 01:14:19
Lendren, I was mainly commenting about the dark and brutal aspect of Serenwilde, and the conniption fit people have if you attempt to go that route. My bad for not being laser-like in my precision with quoting.
Granted, I did go off on a bit of a tangent after mentioning the bit of desire to switch to one of the tainted organizations. I shall henceforth attempt to be succinct whenever I add to a conversation.
Granted, I did go off on a bit of a tangent after mentioning the bit of desire to switch to one of the tainted organizations. I shall henceforth attempt to be succinct whenever I add to a conversation.
Unknown2011-06-08 01:22:14
I've alted a little bit in Serenwilde and enjoyed it thoroughly. In fact, Iasmos, Everiine, and several other old Serenguard were my main reason for staying there as long as I did. Every org can be pesky, annoying, drama-filled, and every org has its ups and downs. You just have to work past it or in spite of it. (or move!)
Sylphas2011-06-08 01:36:28
I'm just waiting for the time that someone glomps me again after I threaten to toad them the next time they do it. I want to see how much trouble people try to get me in if I really do it. (Or, now, Bardooning them if they're too dumb to run, I suppose.)
Unknown2011-06-08 22:10:37
QUOTE (Sylphas @ Jun 7 2011, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm just waiting for the time that someone glomps me again after I threaten to toad them the next time they do it. I want to see how much trouble people try to get me in if I really do it. (Or, now, Bardooning them if they're too dumb to run, I suppose.)
Just freaking do it. All the orgs have the potential to be "hard". It's just easier in Glom/Mag because it's expected on a surface level. But do it smart- don't just haul off and start toading bozos. Start a sub culture, get like minds together, and protect eachother from political retaliation.
I mean, what's the worst that could happen? You all get booted out of Serenwilde and have to forget your skills and start over elsewhere? ...ok that's pretty bad. BUT DO IT ANYWAY.
Arel2011-06-09 01:10:18
QUOTE (Sojiro @ Jun 7 2011, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If I had to venture a guess as to why people think SW is doing badly, at least on a macro level, I'd think it's because they keep comparing themselves to other orgs that aren't Halli or Gaudi.
Ouch
Unknown2011-06-09 03:28:51
Man, just saying.
If it's any consolation, I firmly believe that Hallifax kicks every other org's ass when it comes to culture. But culture doesn't win villages
If it's any consolation, I firmly believe that Hallifax kicks every other org's ass when it comes to culture. But culture doesn't win villages
Rivius2011-06-09 04:18:45
Serenwilde really isn't doing so great. There's a lot of problems with the attitudes, mainly apathy. It's extremely hard to get anyone to do anything lately other than defend territories from enemies just because they should.
Also, we really don't have a good aetherbashing program at all. We try when we can, but generally these things are rare. Lately I've seen a lot of attempts to start some with Hallifax or Magnagora, and the occasional skeleton crew, so I guess that's good.
Also, the fluffiness and cuddliness or whatever is really over-exaggerated. I only wish people could even be as friendly as they used to be to each other. I'm probably not the only one who's noticed this, but there really is a little bit of decaying going on in Serenwilde from the inside. I don't really get the whole big community feeling that I did from Serenwilde before. Everyone mostly keeps to themselves and some days I honestly just get bored and sign off early.
I think a part of the problem is the high population of new comers and the lack of older people really interacting with them. We pretty much have to breed a whole new generation of people and play catch-up, and not all of them are really enthusiatic. Lots of people just want to do their own thing.
There are still a few people, including some new ones who seem to care, and I guess those people are what sort of makes Serenwilde worth it.
We're probably not doing "super bad", but I guess I sort of understand where Iasmos is coming from.
And back to the apathy thing, I've said it before and I'll say it again: It seems to me like a lot of people in Serenwilde are waiting for some kind of Messiah to turn things around for the better. There needs to be more doers who are ready and willing to push all they can into this. You can't just wait for things to get better, you have to get up and do what you can too. This includes having patience with the new generation, realizing they don't have as much experience as you do, and try to raise them to meet that standard.
Also, we really don't have a good aetherbashing program at all. We try when we can, but generally these things are rare. Lately I've seen a lot of attempts to start some with Hallifax or Magnagora, and the occasional skeleton crew, so I guess that's good.
Also, the fluffiness and cuddliness or whatever is really over-exaggerated. I only wish people could even be as friendly as they used to be to each other. I'm probably not the only one who's noticed this, but there really is a little bit of decaying going on in Serenwilde from the inside. I don't really get the whole big community feeling that I did from Serenwilde before. Everyone mostly keeps to themselves and some days I honestly just get bored and sign off early.
I think a part of the problem is the high population of new comers and the lack of older people really interacting with them. We pretty much have to breed a whole new generation of people and play catch-up, and not all of them are really enthusiatic. Lots of people just want to do their own thing.
There are still a few people, including some new ones who seem to care, and I guess those people are what sort of makes Serenwilde worth it.
We're probably not doing "super bad", but I guess I sort of understand where Iasmos is coming from.
And back to the apathy thing, I've said it before and I'll say it again: It seems to me like a lot of people in Serenwilde are waiting for some kind of Messiah to turn things around for the better. There needs to be more doers who are ready and willing to push all they can into this. You can't just wait for things to get better, you have to get up and do what you can too. This includes having patience with the new generation, realizing they don't have as much experience as you do, and try to raise them to meet that standard.
Qistrel2011-06-09 05:12:27
QUOTE (Rivius @ Jun 9 2011, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And back to the apathy thing, I've said it before and I'll say it again: It seems to me like a lot of people in Serenwilde are waiting for some kind of Messiah to turn things around for the better. There needs to be more doers who are ready and willing to push all they can into this. You can't just wait for things to get better, you have to get up and do what you can too. This includes having patience with the new generation, realizing they don't have as much experience as you do, and try to raise them to meet that standard.
This.Also, I'm wondering if some of it has to do with the fact that Lusternia started with three orgs, and Seren had no polar opposite, and then even when Glom came out we were superior to them for a long time. Those days are over. Perhaps we're blaming too much of our problems on Glom, and not enough on ourselves. We can't do anything about Glom, but we can fix ourselves.
Sylphas2011-06-09 15:08:34
We never needed a polar opposite, we had plenty of conflict even with just three orgs. I liked it better and always wondered why people pushed for a "dark" forest, when we easily could have been that. I've always seen that drive and the eventual rise of Glomdoring as the force behind "Serenwilde is snuggly." Instead of pushing us toward the brutal en of nature and perhaps finding a nice balance, we splintered instead.
I don't remember details enough to say if that's actually what happened, but it's certainly my gut feeling.
I don't remember details enough to say if that's actually what happened, but it's certainly my gut feeling.
Unknown2011-06-09 15:40:56
QUOTE (Sylphas @ Jun 9 2011, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We never needed a polar opposite, we had plenty of conflict even with just three orgs.
Glomdoring isn't really a polar opposite in the same way that Celest and Magnagora are, either, which might also contribute to that factor. It's like trying to argue "organic foods vs. genetically modified foods" is equivalent to "good vs evil".
Sylphas2011-06-09 16:04:08
QUOTE (Vendetta Morendo @ Jun 9 2011, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Glomdoring isn't really a polar opposite in the same way that Celest and Magnagora are, either, which might also contribute to that factor. It's like trying to argue "organic foods vs. genetically modified foods" is equivalent to "good vs evil".
I agree with you, but it gets harder to argue that point the more mechanics split us. I adored being able to yell at people who chopped Glom saplings, since the same species grow in Serenwilde. Now that they're not mechanically the same, I can't do that, as an example. And you guys get the new folks that want a more merciless or "dark" forest, now, so it's an uphill battle on our end.
Honestly at this point I think I could almost get used to and change to Glomdoring if the fae summoning were actually "I have a tah'vrai to Night" instead if "I'm enslaved by shadows." That part still makes me wary. Instead of going the whole Seelie/Unseelie route we fight over the same fae, and you're still stuck with some iffy messages despite Faethorn RP changes.
Unknown2011-06-09 17:20:04
Actually, by Shadowdancer RP it is the tah'vrai to Night. It is painful, because serving Night isn't meant to be a skip around the park etc., kind of how Nightkiss aura works.
Unknown2011-06-10 00:27:03
IMO Shadowdancer RP is waaay more interesting than Moondancer RP. Oh well.