Blessings Basin,

A forum was held several months ago concerning souls, in honor of Tully,
the Janitor of the Basin. Thank you, Moralis, for allowing us to use
your scholar to record this debate. Also, thank you to all of those who
attended. I will be creating a scroll of the said debate and giving it
to one of the Great Libraries located throughout the Basin for future
reference. Please note, however, that some of the forum is missing, as
Moralis' scholar evidently has a drinking problem, as most scholars do.
Thank you again to all those who attended.

Blessings,
The Oracle

Note: The recording is terribly long. If you do not wish to read it,
please simply skip over this post. Thank you.
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Comprehension flashes across Marina's face.

You say to Marina, "I'm afraid the previous words are lost to eternity,
but
hence forth I shall scribe every word at your bequest."

Marina tilts her head and listens intently to Sybl.

Marina nods her head at you.

Marina thanks you profusely.

Myrkr jerks slightly as the air fills with sparkling motes of bright
light.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "But I believe that He
Who
Consumes rewarded my suffering with a new life, here in the Basin."

You have recovered equilibrium.

Miska, Mistress of the Forum ponders the situation.

Kalodan nods his head at Myrkr.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says,
"Apologies
for being late everyone. I didn't want Myrkr to speak on our half
alone."

Kalodan chuckles long and heartily.

A green eyelash viper slowly wakens, looking fit and refreshed.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "So, as I am firm in
my beliefs, that would lead to a soul being somethin gthat could be
manipulated by a Divine."

Marina nods her head at Kalodan.

Your eyes sparkle with amusement at Kalodan.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "Leading me to believe
that it is tangible, at least on a Divine level."

Myrkr nods her head at Sybl.

A green eyelash viper slithers out to the west.

Shoki gives a pained sigh.

Myrkr tilts her head curiously at Shoki.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "There are more
details I could share at another time if anyone is interested, but for
this forum I am finished."

Shoki ceases to wield a light battle hammer of silver in his left hand.

Shoki ceases to wield a heavy blacksmith's hammer in his right hand.

Marina nods her head emphatically.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Are there any rebuttles
that anyone would like to make at present?"

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife raises her hand politely.

Marina nods her head at Myrkr.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Myrkr, "The floor is
yours."

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says, "I agree that the soul
is definitely tangible on a divine level, but I feel it must be tangible
on another
level as well. Part of me is tempted to believe that when we take on
dreamform or ghostform, that that is also our soul. However, I do not
know what planar
tangibility that is, though..."

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says, "Also, I believe that
our soul's condition may be altered by other souls without necessarily
directly interacting with them..."

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says, "... that's it."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Are there any futher
rebuttles to Sybl's original discussion or to Myrkr's rebuttle?"

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Further rather."

Shoki shakes his head.

Myrkr tilts her head curiously at Kalodan.

Kalodan shakes his head at Myrkr.

Myrkr nods her head emphatically.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Very good. Moralis, the
floor is yours. Do you believe the soul to be a remnant of original
creation, also
known as the time of creation, or do you believe it to be something
more?"

You say, "Hmmm, I believe that a soul is created as a being becomes self
aware."

You say, "And that further it can be riven from a being as well."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Please explain."

You say, "Ich, so troublesome. Alright let's begin with the beginning as
all things must..."

You say, "As we all well know, creation began the momen Yudhe became
self aware, once Yudhe realized that he was. He was. This also can
explain everything
from the smallest of us to the largest of us. It explains still births,
and live births."

You say, "It is a complicated and yet simple process."

You say, "The first requirement is that an environment conductive to
awareness is set up, an environment with nothing to distract. Yudhe
became aware in
complete emptiness."

You say, "A child is born in a mothers womb, with no distractions, it
becomes aware that it is. And at that moment, as we all know, it gets
rather violent
in it's efforts to escape."

You say, "I can create life with some effort, but I cannot create a
soul."

You say, "If you lead me to a place where there is no life, but the
environment is ripe for it. I can bring plants and creatures into
existence."

You say, "But only if these creatures realize that they do exist do they
continue to create."

You say, "As you all witnessed earlier, when I took a dead spider and
gave life to a snake. I had to contact the spirit of the spider. If it
had decided
that with death it no longer existed, then that would be as well as
true."

You say, "But because it decided that it still existed, a spirit
remained for me to contact and draw forth, giving new flesh and form."

You say, "The same is true with any wanderer such as you or I. If we
die, and we realize we still are and want to be, we will be returned."

You say, "The moment we decide we no longer exist. Is the moment it
ends."

You nod your head at Marina.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Are there any rebuttles to
Moralis' statement?"

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener raises hand
politely.

Marina nods her head at Kalodan.

You grin mischievously at Kalodan.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Kalodan, "The floor is
yours."

Shoki puts some gold sovereigns in a deep crimson pack covered in golden
embroidery.

Myrkr tilts her head and listens intently to Kalodan.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says,
"Apologies, adiscussion popped into my mind. A moment as I formulate."

Kalodan's eyes sparkle with amusement.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos raises her hand only to
chest height, one finger extended in a relaxed gesture.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "May I go before you,
perhaps?"

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Very
well. A few points. To start off with, your base explanation as an
ecologist were
poor. Yes, we can bring life to desolate places."

Sybl flashes Kalodan a joyous smile.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says,
"However, we breathe life into dead and withered plants, urging seeds to
grow. I cannot
create life, nor can you."

Shoki's eyes repeatedly shut as he tries to stay awake.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "We
offer our own energy up to do such a feat, in much the same way the act
of original
Creation was. Imbuing it with a part of ourselves."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Now."

You nod your head emphatically.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says,
"Creation did not begin until Dynara the Creator began to exist. Yudhe's
awareness marked
the beginning of existence, however Yudhe was the embodiment of
everything and nothing."

You have recovered balance on all limbs.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Dynara
represented Creation, while Magnora destruction. As Dynara Created,
Magnora
consumed. This we all know. The few mistakes of Primal Gods bearing
souls aside, a Soul was impossible to purposefully create, until Yudhe
produced His
Nameless Son, which in fact was only Himself, an antithesis, as Yudhe
became Nothing, and his Son became the concept of a Soul."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "When
Magnora later consumed the Nameless Son, Yudhe was left as Nothing,
without an
opposite, and thus Nothing existed, beyond the Souls already existing."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "As one
Elder explained in the book of... Orlachmar, perhaps was it? Creation
and
Existence were, and perhaps still are, at a dead halt. Every soul and
living thing in this world is a part of a whole originally created by
Yudhe's Son and Dynara."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Be it
imbuing their Creation with an essence of their own Divine Soul, in the
instance of
the Seventh, or simply Awakening the Soul already latent within the
material created by Dynara, as in the instance of the Fae."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "We, as
Shards of these divine, are naught but amalgamations of pieces. For
instance, born
a Faeling, I was crafted by a Fae spirit, from the shards of my mother
and father, "creating" new life, though really only taking a part of
them to make me."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "I lost
track of something, though I believe I said what I meant to say."

Marina nods her head at Kalodan.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Sybl, "Please take the
floor."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Moralis will be next."

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "Kalodan brought up
another question, but that will wait a moment."

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "As for Moralis'
statement that becoming self-aware requires an environment free of
distraction..."

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "Would not distraction
indicate awareness? Therefore, if not already self-aware, the being
would
surely soon be self-aware."

Kalodan grins mischievously at Sybl.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "If one is not aware,
one cannot be disctracted."

Myrkr smirks at Sybl.

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Good point."

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "Now, as for Kalodan's
statement."

Zacc arrives from the west.

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "Kalodan states we are
all Shards, as we are. Does that mean we get souls as a result of being
Shards?
If so, then are Viscanti like myself Soulless, being from a Soulless
God?"

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "That finishes my
rebuttle."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Moralis, the floor is
yours to offer a rebuttle."

You say, "Now then, I shall explain and dismantle."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener raises his
sickle for a moment, nodding slowly as Sybl finishes.

You say, "To begin at the start, Kalodan while phrased correctly, your
dependence on the words of an Elder god as absolute is erroneous, as we
have
all seen them make repeated mistakes, have mistaken beliefs and believe
things about themselves, which others have proved innocorrectly, there
for what is
written in any book by elder or not, is subject to critism and doubt."

You say, "Secondly, you stated that creation began with Dynara, this too
is mostobviously erroneous, as well as that the first soul was Yudhe's
son. Dynara
and her sister were created by Yudhe, that he used some of his own self
to create them, does not negate the creation. Demonstratably Dynara had
a soul, though
whether her sister ever developed one is subject to question."

You say, "Now to Sybl, your statement is correct, and wrong at the same
time in my opinion. I'll rephrase my earlier statement, a state of
minimal
distraction is essential, the less distraction the more chance for self
awareness is available. It is true it is percievable to happen while
distraction is
present, but it happens much more often in lesser distracted environs.
As any monk can tell you, or anyone who practices meditation. The more
calm and tranquility
around you, the easier it tends to be to focus inwards."

You say, "Now as for my explanation of how self awareness works, it is
both simple and complex. You see while you might be aware of the
distractions
around you, are you aware of the concept that you do exist? To become
aware of these distractions you must be first aware of yourself,
otherwise you could not be
distracted. So we are both ambigious on that point. It is the chicken
and the egg all over again."

You say, "Hmmm, I think that will do for now, I'd like to hear other
peoples opinions."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Kalodan, the final
rebuttle is yours before we move on to the next question."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Kalodan, "The floor is
yours."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says,
"Alright. As to Sybl - Viscanti are shards of Elders, corrupted by the
Taint of Kethuru,
which is His essence spread through you, in whatever state it remains.
This remains true for Glomdoring, as well. For whatever reason,
Kethuru's essence enables
your shards to amalgamate into a strange mockery of an original, similar
but opposite of that which the shards of the Nameless Son are capable
of.
Whereas an Elfen and a Merian are incapable of breeding by common terms,
a human can breed with either and both, while the child tends to be
decidedly more like one or
the other, it is oft the physical attributes of, say, breathing
underwater, that mark them as a Merian or a Human."

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "May I say something before the last
question?"

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "And by
opposite, I mean to say Human crossbreeding with other races tends to be
very plain, unremarkable. Slow but noticable changes. The Taint tends to
result in radical changes, such as a Tae'Dae with Trill wings elfen ears
and a
Merian's fans, so to speak."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Now."

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Err next question."

Sybl gives Shoki the once-over, eyeing him suspiciously.

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Umm Kalodan I do not believe Glomdoring
is taint."

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says to Shoki, "We are free
to express our opinions here."

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "And thats what I am doing."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "When Kalodan is finished
you may."

Drill Sergeant Sybl Feyranti, Kiss of Chaos says, "Apologies, I must
depart. I look forward to reading the minutes of this later."

Sybl brings her fingers together to reverently form the unbroken circle
of the Ouroboros.

Myrkr waves goodbye at Sybl.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "The
concept of a new soul is wrong, as the souls all, as Moralis said,
originate from
Yudhe. All and Nothing. Dynara was not created, more... Expelled. A part
of Yudhe which isn't so much a part any longer, though still a strong
link existed."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says,
"Awareness is a strange idea, and I do believe seperate from the concept
of a Soul, though
dependant on it."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Each of
us, when we die, our soul is rewoven into the Tapestry of the Fates,
should the
Fates decree it."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "Our
memories, pains, feelings, desires, are abandoned at that time, and
rarely are ever
remembered later on."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "I
believe those whom once followed Lacostian called a record of these
the... Akashic, or
some such."

Ruiku nods his head emphatically.

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "In the
Serenwilde, the Hartstone most notably, these memories are stored within
the
Spiritual Flame, and when I die, though my Soul will be rewoven, Kalodan
Faechild will continue to exist within the Flame, with a strange
comprehension
beyond Time."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "As to
Magnora having a Soul, I imagine so, but a strange primitive concept of
one. And
only because She showed remorse for Her actions, and sought out the
Nameless Son alongside Dynara, an action no Soulless would be capable
of, from everything
we have read and understand."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener says, "And to
cut Shoki off before they start - Glomdoring is indisputably involved
with, and
containing, the Taint. Changed perhaps, but still Taint - the World's
Serpent Devoured it, and returned to us Raven. Then, when Kethuru slew
it, and
spread His taint across Magnora, Acknor, Angkrag, and Glomdoring, Crow
returned. To argue the absence of the Taint would be attempting to
convince Terentia that
the Taint is good for Celest."

A wry smile spreads across Kalodan's face.

Kalodan nods his head at Marina.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Shoki, the last comment is
yours."

Shoki blinks.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "And we will continue."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Shoki, "The floor is
yours."

Shoki nods his head emphatically.

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Ok."

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "I do not think becuase Glomdoring has
spiders and its dark its Taint."

Kalodan blinks.

Myrkr blinks.

You roll on the floor, laughing.

You say, "Oh Bravo."

Prince of the White Stag, Kalodan Faechild, Rose Gardener leans over
alongside Myrkr, and murmurs something quietly.

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Honestly."

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Its the truth."

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Thats what people think."

Kalodan's eyes sparkle with amusement.

Myrkr whispers quietly in Kalodan's ear.

Marina inclines her head politely to Aetia.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Is that your entire
comment, Shoki?"

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "As I remebered it peole in Glomdoring
wish to rid of Ketheru."

Comprehension flashes across Marina's face.

Ecclesiar Shoki Lunarose says, "Ya I am done."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Very good."

You applaud Shoki heartily.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "On to the next question."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Myrkr, the question is
yours."

Myrkr tilts her head and listens intently to Marina.

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Myrkr, "With the proof
and opinions given thus far, what is the very form of the soul? And what
happens
at the hour of death?"

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says, "Does the soul continue
existing or does it become nonexistential?"

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Myrkr, "The floor is
yours."

A wry smile spreads across Myrkr's face.

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says, "I believe the soul is
a shard of Yudhe, as we all, when you break it down, are indeed related
to Yudhe.
The soul is a mass that, while tangible, can take on many forms and
different sizes."

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says, "During death, the
soul escapes from the body -- as many of us have experienced -- though,
it still
maintains a link to that body."

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife says, "Thus, being killed is
not really a true death in my eyes, for we can always be brought back,
whether
it be from being immolated, resurrected, or meeting the Fates and being
set free back into the world."

Marina Whytetower, Oracle of Mysteries says to Myrkr, "To add another
facet to the question, what would happen if we chose not to return to
the world?"

Comprehension flashes across Myrkr's face.

Myrkr ponders the situation.

Marina inclines her head politely to Bael.

Marina inclines her head politely to Raoul.

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Midwife smiles and says, "I suppose
our soul would just be rewoven. While our consciousness would no longer
exist, our
soul would simply move on and take on a new form, whether it be of a
mortal or an animal, or even a plant or tree."

Lord Dirgesinger Daedalion Rillaen, The Stygian Catalyst says, "Should
be chairs in here."

Daedalion sits down.

Hyperactive Myrkr Dekoven, the Mini Mid

Penned by my hand on the 24th of Estar, in the year 182 CE.