As an EG I apologise because I should be screaming for an Archlich nerf at the top of my lungs however I really don't think you've put forward a very convincing argument for why the stats day+night are excessive and I like to think I allow my opinions to be swayed by good argument. Plenty of other things in Necromancy which need minor tweaks without touching Archlich.

EDIT: Mods might want to split this off into a new thread since its a bit off-topic?

No, you should not be screaming for a nerf based on your guild. Heh. And I'm fine with you disagreeing! There is a massive difference in getting +stats very easily, and having to go out of your way to get a herofete / favour / domoth / spheres / what have you (all of these requiring external assistance, versus do-it-yourself).

Flex (+3), lich (+2), size (+3) and you're at 8. No highmagic, no herofete, no favour, no domoth, nothing else needed. As well as the +int (which is far harder to get to +8 weighted since you can't buff your int by changing size).

Clearly the solution here is to buff sacraments with an angelic aura, giving natural flight, dmp to everything, and whatnot, and so on.

Are we replacing Trueheal with this?

Could make it like lich and require this def to be able to trueheal.

Apples and Oranges though Xenthos. When you look at the synergy of Night Ebonguards vs Necromancy ur'Guard there are a number of things that come into play. Archlich has some awesome buffs, no denying, but so does Night especially when combined with the rest of the Night skillset. I appreciate that Archliches get +1 weighted STR over Forestal Knights constantly, but by that argument you could also argue that forestals have excessive buffs because we can constantly get 1 extra STR than Paladins due to bear totem.

Just looking at Trans vs Trans isn't enough when commenting on whether one trans skill is excessive vs another. I can't comment on Crow, but Night is an amazing skillset for a Knight to have, I absolutely love it and wouldn't trade it for Necromancy. I certainly think Necromancy has some issues which need to be looked at but I've already listed those and they're not Archlich related.

I could see that

Sure - Long as Trueheal strips this def and can't be performed without this def up. Oh and a 2-3 second timer before Trueheal fires in which no actions can be performed. I'd be very happy with that.

Oh and the def costs 10p. Can last through death though.

Works for me.



I don't mind if it had some front end lag of 2-3 sec if we removed the eq loss at the end from using trueheal.

Psh - If you want the DMP + Flight and other stuff, no way do you get the eq at the end back

Oh and you quoted an earlier version of my post, I edited it a bit.

You know, I had this big, long post typed up for how Chade was missing the bigger picture, but the more I wrote, the more I realized that the rest of Totems/Night is better than the rest of Rituals/Necromancy. I think it's ok that Archlich is better than Nightkiss.

So, when's Crow going to join the party?

Crow's pretty awesome for blacktalon at the least.

Woohoo - Xavius gets my point.

Archlich by itself is better than Nightkiss - just about. When combined with the rest of the skillset and end game - Archlich is fine. Crucify and Ectoplasm need a look at though, especially for group combat.

For ectoplasm the benefit of soap over cleanse/scrub is waaaaay too much - eq time on cleanse need to be dropped to be semi-comparable to soaps balance time.

It's really not, is the thing. It's not a horrible skill for druids. Better Swoop than Gore, for sure. The bulk of it doesn't synergize well with anything that either warriors or druids do, though. A point by point comparison with Stag is kinda depressing. All those tasty treats that don't require stopping your offense. Mmm.

I want to depress you. COMPARE!

Is this where I get to ask for instakills for both Night and Moon too? Since we're wishing and all.

I agree with Chade though, of all the things to complain about in Necromancy, archlich isn't on the priority list.

P.S. Putrefaction is awesome and is good for tanking.

Don't remind me of one of the best skills I lost. And ghost. HOW DO I GET PAST GUARDS NOW? HUH?!

I'll see what I can do about that.

In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if you're even Gero.

Why would someone pretend to be?