If I am annoyed, I am going to use the appropriate words to express that.

If you are so annoyed just because Titans lost some points to stats, then someone has self-control issues. But, I'll let real mods take care of this, instead of vigilante foruming.

Here's what I have written in the huge edit and people probably missed:
EDIT: Also, there is a difference. Let's take a very, very good example. Athana, and before her, Aesyra. I am not saying both are bad people or something, but let's face it - they were not good combatants. They were not bashing to become fighters either. But when they did hit Titan, suddenly we saw Aesyra raiding Magnagora, Athana fighting along Ixion and whomever else. Their fighting abilities didn't improve much, only the sheer power of Titan/Demigod made them hard to stop (less so in Athana's case, here we have the Titan+Mindcrush change combo). And a person who makes a system, does so especially to become a good fighter. Also, making a system takes skill. Being a good fighter takes skill. Bashing all night long takes nothing but time.

Sorry, I wasn't the one bitching at Murphy for being called a girlyman or whatever other phrase he used.

And so what, they started to raid and fight? Doesn't mean they suddenly become ultradeadly. Mindblast IS overpowered. And a person who bashes might do that to become a good fighter too, where is the difference between the person that bashes? And bashing DOES take skill. You need to know when to run, when to bash, you need to watch out for people jumping you, you need to watch out of other things. I see Daevos dieing in the Catacombs sometimes, I know -I- die often there. Sorry, Catacombs and Astral (which are the highlevel bashinggrounds) DO take skill.

Good job bringing in an example which refutes your own 'argument'.

Athana spent a lot of time getting better, and being trained by myself and others. We set up plans, and executed them. It is erroneous to think the day she got Titan she randomly decided to get heavily into combat, and started demolishing instantly. That simply isn't that case.

Everybody with a bit of sense of humour can easily discern that me, Murphy and Stagar were just kidding at each other. And maybe does bashing take skill, but there is a difference between becoming a good fighter because you worked on being a good fighter and becoming one because you worked on being a good basher. I have nothing against people who are both bashers and fighters, but there shouldn't be combat-related rewards for bashing-related stuff.

Back to topic: thunderclap gets removed, flex gives +3 strength. Nice.

I don't see why not. Being not into combat won't change your stance after becoming Titan/Demigod, nor won't being into combat change it. Cases: Kaervas still fighting, Niara still not fighting.

Actually, it did change for Aesyra. Athana's a bad example though, sorry. Everyone makes mistakes.

I could kick/behead/eviscerate/seriously mangle in a bloody graphic fashion an entire flock (herd? swarm?) of penguins or any furry cute thing.



Me too....



And there's the punch in the face.

EDIT: Apparently Envoys are still yet to give the warriors some love *applies mending and regeneration to face*



Not everyone who plays Lusternia is male....


EDIT: Next time I post without reading the news, feel free to stab me.

She started to follow Hajamin. *shrug* Of course she changes her style if she follows a martial god.

ok flex was given one more point, so it's gonna pretty much be the same as it was pre-buffnerf.

HOWEVER your enemies now have less con int and dex from buffs, so you're not doing too badly and haven't been nerfed in any way.

Umm no I definitely did fight before I got Titan and I did spend hundreds of hours bashing so that I could have an advantage in combat (the same reason I buy artifacts)...and now the bonus stats are completely useless for me. I don't really understand why everyone thinks Titans should be the same as everyone else...

I also did try to train and get better...not everyone can make their own system from scratch but I altered mine a lot to work better for me

Removing thunderclap and nerfing titan/demi stat boosts seems like too much.

I have to agree with Athana here, since when did this become a matter of how you got your system?

The game puts everyone who isn't a decent programmer in an obvious disadvantage as it is, you can't expect everyone to learn how to program... buying or using another's system is a valid option, I feel.

Ok, yes buffs have been reduced in effectiveness, but we needed it, god people complained day in and day out about how utterly out of controll then were, how EASY it was to maintain 24 in this and that and so forth. Titan +2 to all stats is STILL +1 to all stats, and demigods +3 is at least +1 if not +2 depending on what other buffs you have, they are not 'completely useless'.

I think lichdom should lose daytime stats penalty now with that change.

I guess you're right...but it still kind of sucks since the added stats still cancel out

CON: +1 herofete +2 TF= +2 con from Titan

INT: +1 TF +2 knowledge blessing +1 Herofete = +1 int from titan

CHAR: +2 beauty blessing +2 throne +1 netzach +2 titan +1 TF = -3 charisma

Will you crazies stop assuming everyone has access to infinite truefavours just because you do? *sob*

Athana's just to sweet, the gods can't help but TF'ing her.

Meh, I'm not even sure why I care about this change so much since Athana has a primordial fear of the battlefield now

May I mention here that while you can argue about the extent of it, yes, Titans and particularly Demigods SHOULD notice a heavy boost to their sheer combat powers, simply because they are, well, titanic and all that.