You can't see me parry/stance. I switched to 50 larm, 50 head...dunno why but it did.

You might be right about sparkle/scroll. I'm fairly certain I had them on, but I make mistakes. Can't apply when you are taking that kind of damage.

I can't see you parry/stance, I can just see me not hitting into parry/stance. I -am- right about sparkle and scroll, and on top of that I notice you excluded in the log how much damage my first and second combos, the point where you should start applying, were doing. You also took a 1900 damage moonburst in there, so no, I would expect you not to be able to apply - but monks don't normally have 1900 moonbursts as passive effects helping them fight, so it's irrelevant.

You act like I said there was a problem with monks, just showing evidence that monks are not helpless like some of the posts and thread would have you believe. You did around 3000 in three combos, I'm not including Kielo in this. Monks seem to be fine to me

Ugh, stop trying to over the monks Bianca

I'm deliberately leaving out any analysis of how you're acting. The point is that there are multiple things you were just doing strictly wrong in there, and I also had a moonburst helping you get to where applying was harder than sipping, which is ordinarily the point where you would start trying to hinder the monk or even move a little or something so you can get back on top of your wounds quickly.

What you need to do to prove monks aren't helpless is get, say, a Tahtetso, cure properly, parry/stance properly, be in a demesne and hindering them, and still have that kind of wounds/damage build up on you fast. Your log just doesn't show anything useful about monks. It'd be like not sipping against a geomancer demesne, watching it take me down over time, and saying that it's good on its own.

"To prove that my archetype isn't helpless, you must turn your full offense towards stopping my offense, not make any mistakes, and prove that you will die in five combos."

Lusternia focuses heavily on team combat, you can't balance classes strictly 1v1. IMO.

Oh well, guess by saying monks are fine...I'm...well I'm not sure what's so bad about that.

Moral of the story. Don't mention monks.

Ok. But are you trying to balance them for 2v1? It's not like Telrath was doing anything useful that I saw. If Geomancers were weak, would it be correct for me to say they're balanced because Telrath shieldstunning me while you afflict and when I have triggers off makes it hard to cure?

I'd be inclined to say no.

Xavius, try again, the straw is practically leaking out of that guy's chest.

I'm not saying I should have won that, no. When Telrath said "Nejii" I should have ran away, but the again I assumed he would be helping Our situation isn't really comparable to the one you described. You had me grappled during the majority of the fight(which I was writhing just fine) AND did 3k damage just you, including wounds..which I assume would have been fairly low. Even if Kielo hadn't been there, and I had sparkled and scrolled...my health would have still been lower than half after the third hit. Was it a perfect situation? No. I'm not denying that, but I'm not crying for nerfs either.

I can only assume xavius did a scarecrow "if I only had a brain" post. Luckily, he's still snubbed!

I had a post just like this.. where i was perma grappled.. i asked for help on how to get out of it.. and the answer was -- there is nothing. So it seems that it still exists. a pity.

And also --- the 2000++ damage is a fact.. i dont know how a monk does that, but they do.. a monk friend killed me a few times when i was over 2000 health.. -- i thought the attacks get stronger with the wounding.. but it was too early on the fight to have that kind of wounding.. I didnt even think i was at heavy..

Nerf monks!!

Don't argue. Nejii. Soon she'll be a monk and agree with you!

Celina keeps doing that.

@Celina:
I'd suggest having an arena spar and taking down a proper log if you want to make a real case, preferably with sparkles and scrolls and less Kielo.
I was a monk for a while, and it's not always automatic IWIN. If you get a telepath whoring pacify and paralyze on you, for example, you really can't do much without a bit of luck or planning.

I do think monks are iffy. Primarily because of katas. Ruptures seem to escalate the problem, if Catarin/Forren's calculations are correct, which really doesn't bode well since there was talk of having all monk guilds use ruptures.

Making forms = maneuvers would solve a lot of problems, but I don't think it's going to happen, and I don't think it's the only solution.
Hopefully, Emofist will come out soon enough, and then we'll get fixes done across the board.

Forren's and Catarin's calculations are a lot less correct when you can stance and parry them, keep in mind. It was changed since for precisely that reason and monks were slowed a full half-second into the bargain.

Wasn't there a comment that it's near impossible to really balance for teams. Balancing for 1v1 is more likely but I'm tired and sick so I can't remember quite correctly.

small comment though: Wether or not a class is fine should not be judged solely off of the damage that a demigod with runed up and specifically forged weapons can do to a mage below titan.
Also the statement that Nejii did 3000 damage in three combos can be quite deceptive, with the way monk damage works it should be judged more on individual kata because honestly the target could get afflicted with sensitivity and make a similar claim even though the first two kata did 1500 between them.

My weapons aren't that runed up, just for the record, although the demigod part is valid.

I thought they were, oh well... I'll just claim i was referencing the ultimate case. >_>

Only the truth is funny!

You can tumble out of grapples so it's not as bad to be grappled as it is to be pinlegged or even double pinlegged.

No one listens to her so don't worry. The admin would rather have full logs with timestamps and competent fighters before changing things.



QFT


And was Nejii calling Xavius a scarecrow? I thought he meant a strawman.

Nejii you are a moderator, think you can move all this non envoy crap from here. I keep thinking the ideas that have been being tossed around with envoys and such have just been implemented and I see bandwagoneer still here complaining instead of changes .