When do druids get to stand in front of the nerf firing squad?

After being a bard, I think they are mostly fine...tweaks here and there, yes...but the nerf train coming their way scares me.

Druids don't get to stand in front of the nerf firing squad. If you have the curing to keep up with glamours, you have the curing to deal with sap.

I still think sap should go away, but hey.

Glamours comparable to sap. That's cute.

You are comparing a class that has total control of the afflictions(one of which is sap) they give, and know what passives will hit and when compares to a class that can drop 8 power for 2 random passives and spam colourburst and hope for the best. Glamours, as an afflicting ability is nice, but not going to win a fight against anyone that can cure it...ever.

Disclaimer: I know someone will think this, I'm not calling druids OP.

It's interesting to see how your oppinion on bards changed.

If I could control my passives, I'd be a whole lot stronger.

Trans resilience and trans combat really are a requirement to have a chance against decent knights. But when I suggest that you trans magic to fight bards, there's just people like you who suggest that we balance things around master level skills and crappy systems.

Just to clarify, there are actually 2 bard envoys who are reasonable, not one. It hasn't been hard to get bard nerfs put through at all.

Just because certain envoys cave to massive uninformed bitching doesn't make them more reasonable then others.

It is because Celina is talking out of her ass again. You don't get that many wounds from a knight 1v1 in a short time even with Geb fighting you (with his artied gsword), unless you cannot heal for crap.



How is this different is this comparing monks (damage killers based on wound levels) to warriors (wound killers based on wound levels) it sounds like you really jump around alot. You made earlier arguments using this same type of rationale against monks. But here you are saying the opposite now.




Hehe QFT, there are many different envoys from many different guilds, not just bards (I don't know of any bard ones, I know of others though) that seem to crumble to uninformed bitching

what, whats happening?

why are you nerfing us?

nnoooooo....

And our own envoys do it? et tu envoys?

nnoooooo....

The bard ones will probably be tweaks, not major nerfs. You can always talk to Kaervas about it (he's the Harbinger Envoy) and share your suggestions with him. He's always looking for input anyway, and most of us don't know our arse from a mandolin when it comes to combat.

I know! Fighting as one makes you see things you didn't see before. Like I said, they still need some changes, but I sense a nerf train coming. I don't think we need that.



Edit: I had a long post...but my own comment made me realize it's bad to feed the trolls. I'm sorry you don't understand.

Monks don't do it to the extreme. Our wounds are lower than warriors', our damage is only better when we already have wounds, we don't have wound-based instakills, and our afflictions aren't really comparable. (We have things like boganj, which is nice, but we also don't have really nice stuff like knockdown and pinleg.)

By the way, since you're admitting that you're seeing bards from a different perspective - when you used to complain about them CONSTANTLY - now that you've played one, you should maybe try being a monk too before complaining about them since you've already assessed your experience as too subjective.

The ninjas kind of do with ruptures.

Bards are really just a terrible, clunky class.
They need a serious overhaul, and some serious changes, and people need to stop with the 'omg minorsecond, omg glamours, omg hunger/sleep' crap being thrown at every envoy suggestion.

Bards are not fine.

I see your point, and I totally agree. However, my experience as a bard doesn't change what I complained (not constantly...but okay) about...their damage. My opinions on glamours is what has changed. It is possible that if I tried out monk, I might think "oh wow, this is extremely hard" or something like that. However, when you work on adding reflexes try to figure out strategies to beat them, and still get destroyed over and over by monks of all levels and might (which isn't happening with any other class). Possible. I just don't think it's likely. Oh well! You live and you learn.

@inky: Bards are not clunky or terrible by a long shot.

Yeah, that one is probably a mistake. Should try to talk to their envoy about that one.

The closest thing to a 'fixed' bard guild is the Cantors.
We aren't a reliable class; we're largely spammy and tedious.

The fact that bards became 'overpowered' when Glamours was released should send up a pretty big red flag.

I'm not sure where you are coming from. Especially as a bard with a magic rune, you shouldn't be have this much trouble. One thing I would like see changed is Cacophony's hunger song. Cantors have damage (woa, insane damage), Harbingers have bleedings, spiritsingers have sleep. All these are helpful. None of these are instantly curable like hunger is.

Bards are totally reliable if you stick to what they are made for. Damage. They aren't an affliction class(I think glamours is a support skill. Colourburst is very limited!). And we aren't so spammy. You want spammy? Try Druid. Eesh, I would get lost in my own spam.

Play around with bard more, It's not a bad class at all.

I'm sorry, but pre-Glamours, bards were crap.
There are no tarot or ecology bards.

Glamours is like a bandage over a festering wound.
There's no skill synergy. Combat revolves around spamming enough colourburst until you're able to minorsecond someone to death. Threnody is almost impossible. I'd imagine it's largely the same for the other guilds, except possibly Cantors seeing as they have recessional. Music specs need to be stronger, or we need viable alternative methods of killing (incresing earache time would be a good start).