Only *partially* right. It depends on other factors, including:
1) How easy can the afflictions be afflicted?
1a) Are they passive?
1b) Do they take 1s eq, 2s eq, balance, etc.?
1c) How many can be given at once?
2) How easy are the afflictions to cure?
2a) This depends on how quickly they can be given, things that prevent curing, whether they use the same cure, etc.

If it's easy to stack a lot of afflictions, then they need to be considered. If it's not so easy and is a rare thing, then it doesn't need to be considered as much. A blanket "You don't have to consider it" statement is inherently flawed.

I'm just upset about more obscure things. At top tier- everyone kills with real instant kills, half mana 'instant kills', attrition (sleep/hunger bards). Bards and monks can actually kill with damage. Just make a change for things like succumb. Have succumb act as if the person had trans magic. A straight 15% drain and no extra. Why penalize the lower tier fighters? It obviously still works on the higher tier fighters. Changing this would not affect higher tier fighters. So why not change it?

And as I run over some of the lash v succumb debates. I remember that some of the arguments for the defense of succumb was that in numbers lash has a better drain until the person has around 5k mana and above. Once again, this was at trans magic. I'm fine with that. But since we're taking into account high tier fighters, let's also take into account the average mana of high tier fighters. It easily approaches 6000 for all wiccans who should be mugwumps, most bards, all humans. The only exceptions might be a warrior and a monk. Even then, we're getting to the point where the current fighters are almost all titan or near titan and above and the ones that aren't, will get there. So a typical top tier fighter will have the mana level where succumb also drains a better literally number than lash does.

Hrm this is pretty off topic huh? Well, to sum it up, I guess I think Magic should just be done away with. And treated as if all the people have trans magic. That way, it doesn't hurt the people who can't afford the steep learning curve, but it'll still be okay for top tier fighters, cause nothing will have changed in terms of the damage/drains/effects they do against other top tier fighters. It just means not everyone will be so easily picked on because they can't afford a skill? I feel like I'm not saying this as well as I could have.

Oh yeah. And Lash needs and an upgrade. Or Sojiro needs to pull through.

If you balance druid combat with sap, you're forcing the skill user (in this case, a druid) to always keep sap on a target. Sap is an affliction, so having it should mean that things are harder for you. It shouldn't mean that while you don't have sap, you're safe.

Lol I always liked your arguments. Why don't you fight more? Don't I owe you a free kill?

Yes. Yes you do. I'd almost forgotten that.

Anyways, I don't fight because my robes are unenchanted, my system is out of date (when it doesn't delete itself on me ) and Lusternia is generally less fun for me than it used to be, so I don't play as often.

You might be enough xp to get me to 80, though.

who fights with a system these days? All you need is focus mind

I'm soft. I haven't manualled since Achaea, and I discovered that I wasn't very good at it without my priest/bard healing tricks.

Furthermore

This is -exactly- what I meant. Thank you for saying it more clearly than I could. I mean, look at glamours. I'm not saying only to balance it with sensitivity, but I don't think that things like sensitivity (and how easy it is for bards to stick recklessness) should be ignored. Comfy medium, as I said. Don't balance it assuming they have it, don't balance it assuming they don't, choose somewhere in between. Things aren't as black and white as you make them out to be.

Do tell.

I think it's possible to pull off as a druid. You'd have to fight as wildly as Shorlen does, but it's possible. You just need situations where the most you're dealing with as you're utilising your offense is passive ents or a passive curse. I've considered going druid cause they're necessary and cause it's the only other class I think I could pull off. Bards would also be a good choice since they have that nice damage/affliction output + tripleflash and in groups, damage tends to count the most.

Demigods are crap exp

Acrune, I'm going to go ahead and ignore the rest of your posts. I think you seem to be the only one who thinks that bards are perfectly balanced, so it doesn't really warrant a discussion.



I don't believe you. Come die to me and prove it.

Trust me I killed Forren before as a demi, then whined to him about how I didn't even get 1% exp from him.. He laughed. But killing a titan gets you good exp!!!

Yeah - I used to love getting the final blow on Titans. Demigods are worth virtually nothing.

No, titans are worth no exp, none at all. Negative xp I hear...

Nice try

Whenever Narsrim used to raid, my only move would be to discern until my moonburst could finish him and I'd take the kill

...

I KNEW IT >:(

But one good thing I guess, the corpses (if you can get them) are worth some essence. But I can't remember if it is great essence or not. But yeah titan death is a hell of a lot better to pvp with (killing them if you can that is) snce the exp is so incredibly different between a titan and a demigod.


-Oh side note, I am ripping cool designs for borders in the system I am working on. Can I get in trouble for it? Or should I put somewhere hidden a copyright by blah blah or something?

Basically I am using things like this:


But they are jpg's and I am not sure if I can put them in. I am tinkering around with them, but making them bmp's make them look horrible.

/sorry back on topic now

You can only get in trouble if you distribute your system, the image owner sees it, recognizes them. You could always put credits in the button name or something to be safe, but chances of you getting in trouble are pretty slim.