Shiri2007-11-21 13:15:16
Psymet has nothing that enables it to deal with paralysis effectively. Harmony has a mantra that reduces focus body time, though, maybe you meant that.
Acro is definitely better for pvp.
Acro is definitely better for pvp.
Ashteru2007-11-21 13:51:13
Ah, yeah, harmony it is, then...yup, that makes Acromonks nice!
Pentu2007-11-21 14:04:36
All of you who're complaining about ground sap should go spar a shadowdancer as a druid without using sap. 

Shiri2007-11-21 14:08:04
Solution: Nerf brumetower!

EDIT: and delete shadowdancers.

EDIT: and delete shadowdancers.
Xenthos2007-11-21 15:35:51
QUOTE(Shiri @ Nov 21 2007, 09:08 AM) 459637
Solution: Nerf brumetower!

EDIT: and delete shadowdancers.

EDIT: and delete shadowdancers.
Why would anyone waste the time it takes to do both?
Shiri2007-11-21 15:38:43
Sheer vindictiveness. And don't argue with me about this, 'cause I know you'll try!
Xenthos2007-11-21 15:59:24
QUOTE(Shiri @ Nov 21 2007, 10:38 AM) 459646
Sheer vindictiveness. And don't argue with me about this, 'cause I know you'll try!
Then you already know / can guess my argument, so I'll let you debate it with yourself. Because I'm kind that way.
Simimi2007-11-21 16:09:59
Why does acro have to be THAT much better... but the celladjustment change is kind of nice, all things considered. The having to keep sub open to use it is kind of meh, but it more than makes up for not using Regeneration.
Daganev2007-11-21 18:56:30
QUOTE(Simimi @ Nov 21 2007, 08:09 AM) 459649
Why does acro have to be THAT much better... but the celladjustment change is kind of nice, all things considered. The having to keep sub open to use it is kind of meh, but it more than makes up for not using Regeneration.
Ironic, when I made my monk alt at the begining, everybody told me not to bother with Acrobatics at all because the other was so much better.
Eldanien2007-11-21 19:12:19
I dunno about Cell Adjustment.
In the middle of a fight, old way: break kata, use cell adjustment on up to three unlocked channels (unlikely, but possible) along with potions, berries, scroll. Regain channel balance. Resume kata (taking balance hit on first form).
In the middle of a fight, new way: break kata, use cell adjustment on one specific channel only with better ratio along with potions, berries, scroll. Regain channel balance. Resume kata (taking balance hit on first form).
After a fight, old way: use cell adjustment on up to three unlocked channels (unlikely, but possible) along with potions, berries, scroll.
After a fight, new way: use cell adjustment on one specific channel only with better ratio along with potions, berries, scroll.
They added better ego-to-health ratio, removed two channels it can work with. Considering what's available on super channel, it's hard to justify keeping it open for cell adjustment.
I'd rather have seen it become useable when off balance/eq, and have the ratio vary based on total skill. At that point, you'd consider whether to leave a channel unlocked for the boost-of-hps-right-now ability.
In the middle of a fight, old way: break kata, use cell adjustment on up to three unlocked channels (unlikely, but possible) along with potions, berries, scroll. Regain channel balance. Resume kata (taking balance hit on first form).
In the middle of a fight, new way: break kata, use cell adjustment on one specific channel only with better ratio along with potions, berries, scroll. Regain channel balance. Resume kata (taking balance hit on first form).
After a fight, old way: use cell adjustment on up to three unlocked channels (unlikely, but possible) along with potions, berries, scroll.
After a fight, new way: use cell adjustment on one specific channel only with better ratio along with potions, berries, scroll.
They added better ego-to-health ratio, removed two channels it can work with. Considering what's available on super channel, it's hard to justify keeping it open for cell adjustment.
I'd rather have seen it become useable when off balance/eq, and have the ratio vary based on total skill. At that point, you'd consider whether to leave a channel unlocked for the boost-of-hps-right-now ability.
Ashteru2007-11-21 19:15:50
What does it do, anyway?
Unknown2007-11-21 20:31:23
New CellAdjustment is just Transmute w/ Ego instead of Mana, I believe.
The worst thing about the Sap change? People are going to be even less willing to upgrade druids outside their melds now, which they are in severe need of. Ecology must be upgraded to the level of Telepathy!
The worst thing about the Sap change? People are going to be even less willing to upgrade druids outside their melds now, which they are in severe need of. Ecology must be upgraded to the level of Telepathy!
Shishi2007-11-21 22:36:10
QUOTE(Pentu @ Nov 21 2007, 07:04 AM) 459636
All of you who're complaining about ground sap should go spar a shadowdancer as a druid without using sap. 

I'll miss the days I never needed a cleanse enchantment

Furien2007-11-21 23:12:55
Old Celladjustment wasn't much of a transmute, since you had to wait for super/sub/id balances before you could keep going.
I envoyed Celladjustment to be on Substratus, did that not happen?
I envoyed Celladjustment to be on Substratus, did that not happen?
Eldanien2007-11-21 23:20:47
Cell Adjustment is on Super only. And I can't say for sure without going back in and trying again, but I want to say you have to wait for channel balance just like before.
So basically, old Cell Adjustment with better ego to health ratio, one channel only.
So basically, old Cell Adjustment with better ego to health ratio, one channel only.
Unknown2007-11-21 23:45:11
QUOTE
ab psychometabolism celladjustment
Syntax: PSI CELLADJUSTMENT
Channels: Substratus
By focusing on your body at a cellular level, you can transmute your ego
into health - though a small amount will be lost in the process.
psi substratus celladjustment 1
Delving into your body on a cellular level, you compel your cells to burn their
stored energy to regenerate beyond their normal capacity.
4566h, 2744m, 3280e, 10p, 20940en, 13780w eSilrx /10:14:35.298/-
You feel the Substratus channel open again.
Syntax: PSI
Channels: Substratus
By focusing on your body at a cellular level, you can transmute your ego
into health - though a small amount will be lost in the process.
psi substratus celladjustment 1
Delving into your body on a cellular level, you compel your cells to burn their
stored energy to regenerate beyond their normal capacity.
4566h, 2744m, 3280e, 10p, 20940en, 13780w eSilrx /10:14:35.298/-
You feel the Substratus channel open again.
Eldanien2007-11-22 01:39:08
My mistake. Looking back at logs, I was using sub. I'm not sure how it came to mind that it was on super. This does make it a bit more useful, though I'm still a bit iffy. I'm not able to go ingame at the moment, would someone check if you can use it in the middle of Kata? Or is it still only useable with a complete stop?
Xavius2007-11-25 14:03:20
QUOTE(mitbulls @ Nov 21 2007, 06:38 AM) 459628
The change was unneeded
Yes, we all agree.
QUOTE
and will make druids ridiculous in group combat.
Put down the crack pipe.QUOTE
Druids demesnes are very nice, and a druid inside his demesne is one of the most powerful classes (possibly behind bards?) in the game for PVP. You can escape easily, you have very nice passive offense, including a passive ability which drags people into the trees. This was always mitigated by the fact that the primary kill condition required being in the trees. This didn't really require all that much extra time or effort, but it did allow for the possibility that the person could escape if you made a mistake - that is the way it should be.
Try being a telepath and see what happens when you make a mistake with your afflictions. Or a MD who messes up your sleep-lock. When you make mistakes, people get away and you have to start over - that is the way of the game. No class should have a kill condition that allows you to make mistakes and still doesn't give the enemy a chance to escape.
Try being a telepath and see what happens when you make a mistake with your afflictions. Or a MD who messes up your sleep-lock. When you make mistakes, people get away and you have to start over - that is the way of the game. No class should have a kill condition that allows you to make mistakes and still doesn't give the enemy a chance to escape.
Druid demesnes are nice in group combat mostly because there are few respectable raid leaders around who can keep a group together. I know both Xenthos and I can lead a group through a runic druid demesne. Personally, I consider this to be fine, because it takes a respectable raid leader to actually use the druid demesne effectively. Otherwise, it's not the sort of power that works in group combat as well as the mage demesnes.
Aeon is an outright death condition in an organized group. Wane really is the heart of the Seren zerg. Will sap be the same? Yup. Surprisingly enough, it already is.
This provides one (1) upgrade for druidic combat, which Ashteru already hit on--the ability to use sap when jumped with less prep time than before. The rest of the time, we already have a timed demesne, so it's a non-issue.
Now, before you freak, I agree that the change is unneeded, and a dozen people have already said why it was made. This is more a note to you to actually think about the stuff you type. I seem to be writing a fair number of these to you lately.
Forren2007-11-25 19:23:54
QUOTE(Xavius @ Nov 25 2007, 09:03 AM) 460225
Aeon is an outright death condition in an organized group. Wane really is the heart of the Seren zerg. Will sap be the same? Yup. Surprisingly enough, it already is.
Honestly, ever since building my new system, I've found this to be incredibly false. Thinks like pinleg and crucify bother me much more than aeon does. That said, the Nihilists I have fought lately in groups aren't the best at stacking things that would prevent me from curing aeon.
Unknown2007-11-25 19:44:18
QUOTE(Forren @ Nov 25 2007, 07:23 PM) 460251
Honestly, ever since building my new system, I've found this to be incredibly false. Thinks like pinleg and crucify bother me much more than aeon does. That said, the Nihilists I have fought lately in groups aren't the best at stacking things that would prevent me from curing aeon.
Agreed, aeon whoring = giving me more time to get my health/mana/ego up after I cure the aeon.
True funny story heh, when I was raiding Etherwilde and Seren would have 6 waners on me I would have a better chance of escaping the zerg than if those 6 waners would have dropped that strategy and web/stun/go for damage.