QUOTE(Furien @ Jun 25 2007, 11:41 PM) 420512
Roulade is...
DisharmonicChord is...
JustChorale (Starhymn) summons...
NatureRhythm (Wildarrane) is...
DisharmonicChord is...
JustChorale (Starhymn) summons...
NatureRhythm (Wildarrane) is...
Thanks hun!Edit:
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 27 2007, 07:32 PM) 421235
Bonuses to Moonburst:
Causes no bleeding itself.
1 damage type. <-- This is seen as a downfall, but now you see how it's a benefit too!
(Bleeding can come from other sources though)
I don't have -any- attacks that cause bleeding though, unless I try to throw my athame at someone, and maybe 1 out of 100 times it hits and causes maybe 5-7 bleeding damage.Causes no bleeding itself.
1 damage type. <-- This is seen as a downfall, but now you see how it's a benefit too!
(Bleeding can come from other sources though)
Other people always rely on bleeding.
I don't see why this skill passed the Envoy process; it's an instakill for half the people out there, and useless against the other half.
It also reminds me of some Ki ability from Achaea everyone was complaining about awhile ago, how you could sort of 'charge' yourself up by having your allies hit you, and then practically instakill someone on the first hit. (Disregard this part if it’s an ability that takes X time to lead up to, like a High stanza song.)
It's staggeringly close, the only disadvantage is that you might die afterward from the bleeding. Coupled with a 0% xp loss res ability like the construct glom refuses to build, and you've got an unstoppable army. (Reminds me of the infested terrans from broodwar actually.)
Combine that with how useless it will be in other situations... It's a lose-lose, for harbinger and opponent.
QUOTE(Wesmin @ Jun 27 2007, 07:03 PM) 421243
I don't see why this skill passed the Envoy process; it's an instakill for half the people out there, and useless against the other half.
I'm going to double back and look, but I'm fairly sure it had two complaints registered saying almost exactly this, one of them mine. It shouldn't have.
EDIT: Confirmed that the rejected suggestion was not on the final report, but a 10% damage reduction effect is. WTF?
Order redcap attack (ally) and just have the person play healing songs at themselves and maybe others helping. that's a really simple way to build up bleeding damage
QUOTE(Krellan @ Jun 27 2007, 09:50 PM) 421340
Order redcap attack (ally) and just have the person play healing songs at themselves and maybe others helping. that's a really simple way to build up bleeding damage
And that's differet from all said people attacking said enemy how?
If you go through all the effort to make yourself bleed and keep yourself alive.. couldn't you just as easily focus on offense?
It seems to me that only insanely high con races will be able to manage a tactic utilizing this, and if you have insanely high con, you're probably lacking in int or equilibrium or something else. Yeah, there are a few races with both, but they usually suffer in other ways.
I don't see how its really that unbalanced as an idea all on its own. Yes, Sham one-hit killed himself, but it was due to a bug in that Sham got hit by 1500 damage twice for his dual-damage attack. Once that's fixed, I don't see how its OP. If it requires 3-4 people to upkeep the healing and bleeding to istakill someone (in which case, you have to get them to actually hit you after you go through all the effort), I don't see how its any different than almost any other tactic performed by a group of the same amount of people.
In a 1-on-1 fight, all you have to do is stop dealing damage and instead deal hindering afflictions, letting the person bleed themselves out. And in a group fight, well, either their whole group is focused on them, and you can just not hit them, or they're not bothering and its a group fight anyway.
welllll mostly because I thought it did double the damage you were bleeding and not the same amount 
