Keeping sixthsense and truehearing up and hammering on them. Don't see why it's that hard. It doesn't take that long for us to die.

Problem with truehearing is if you apply health it strips truehearing before curing wounds, causing you to eat tons of earwort.... now that is just messed up... if it was that it cured wounds and if you applied after your wounds were completely healed and it stripped earwort... it wouldn't be so bad... but put a knight+bard in a room against you.... the night just needs to hit ya so the bard can kill ya

Unless something changed recently, it doesn't cure sixthsense first. It might cure truehearing, since that's the one given by earwort (although I've never eaten it, so I wouldn't know) but I know that it always used to cure wounds before blindness.

You do realize that many of us are going to think this sounds just as ridiculous and contradictory? You have two afflictions, and then rather intimitely link them to defenses. Instead of having a complicated mash of the two, why not say, "Yes, deafness will stop Music, but then you have to put up with this side effect," and the same with blindness (although blindness obviously has a much more hideous side effect). You're trying to have it both ways, and it just seems like it's getting ridiculous.

bah my bad it was late I meant to say it cures truehearing first....

I will edit it to reflect what I meant.

Er, isn't that basically what I was saying.

Anyway, in my mind, blindness and deafness are afflictions and sixsense and truehearing are defenses.

If that sounds ridiculous, so be it!

But they're tied together, and if you have the defenses, you aren't affected by the afflictions. If they were each entirely seperate, it wouldn't look like a confused mess, maybe.

To all those saying blindness and deafness are afflictions: Do you think so because 'Blindness prevents X skill from working on you' ?

If so, do you believe attacks, which cause you to be prone, are giving defenses, because they prevent beckon from working? Or attacks, which entangle, or break your legs/arms give defenses, because they prevent the usage of certain domination commands from going through?


Blindness and deafness are afflictions which give favorable outcomes, they also debilitate you. That, to me, is a mirror image of having broken limbs, being prone, webbed, ect, and I've never heard those called defenses.

Edit:Argueing against myself: I guess lich, pre-construct debilitated you half the time however, and that is certainly a defense.

If I could sit down, then eat an herb that let me do everything normally, but beckon still wouldn't work, is it still an affliction? It's silly to have things that turn afflictions back into defenses. I'll consider blindness and deafness afflictions when you can have sixthsense and truehearing without being blind or deaf.

Instead of just afflicting people with things, we strip their anti-affliction defenses so that the afflictions they already have will actually hurt them, THEN we attack them. That doesn't seem needlessly complicated to anyone else?

Minorfifth being tritone?

Frightening as it sounds, I actually agree. I understand the concept that deafness and blindness are afflictions, sixthsense and truehearing are defenses. In practice, it's complicated and ultimately works out as if blindness and deafness were defenses. It is deafness itself (not truehearing) that prevents bardic songs from working, and blindness itself (not sixthsense) that protects against illusions. So, I can see the confusion and it does seem needlessly complicated. Still, at this point, there doesn't seem to be an productive way to fix it all, so it's not really a worthwhile argument.

What if being blind but without sixthsense didn't stop the illusions? So only if you have sixthsense do you stop the illusions, and only if you have truehearing it stops the music?

If you are worried about realism, then just say the illusion is on the mind, not the eyes, and the music goes beyond the soul, but truehealing and sixtsense allow you to realize that they are just illusions and bard music, not the music of creation but a poor imitation of it?

edit: Cause right now, blindness and deafness are the defenses, Sixthsense and Truehearing just allow you to not feel the affects of the affliction aspect of the defense.

Anyone know what it is yet?

Actually, when it first came out you could have truehearing without being deaf. make yourself deaf and put up truehearing by eating earwort and get hit by sensitivity. Deafness gone, truehearing there, but -absolutely- useless against bards because you aren't deaf. Course that got changed so that you lose truehearing too because otherwise you couldn't make yourself deaf again with earwort and give yourself truehearing again cause you already had it.

@gwylifar not a clue as I said. That bard attack that drains mana and ego at the same time and works well with manabarbs+egovice. Kaervas hit me for 1500 mana/ego for a total of 3000 health with that combo

I was referring to music theory, not the skill. Fifths are perfect, not major or minor. A "flatted fifth" is a tritone.

Checking the Scrying Pool, I see what you've got there is MinorSixth.

There's an easy way to solve that, it's called curing manabarbs/egovice

Unless you're in a group or just don't plan on going anywhere, it's pretty difficult to die to barbs/vice/minorsixth combo. I mean, you can just cure the stuff extremely easily. Unless, of course, you're perfectfifthed in an Octave.

And, wtf. Kaervas does 3k in a minorsixth with a non-Champ instrument.

With mine, I only do 1.2k.

OMG! IT IS AWESOME!

To me anyway.

It's a local area seeing stone. Nothing spectacular. They should have gotten something better, imho

Um.. nope?

Almost though.