ENVOY REPORTS

by Ashteru

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Unknown2007-05-26 20:10:04
QUOTE(Ayridion @ May 26 2007, 09:55 PM) 412186
However, blindness is meant to be a major defence against Illusions, for obvious reasons, and it most definitely is.


Well with afterimage lasting like 20 seconds + time to put up sixthsense again, just how many colourbursts can you get in there?

EDIT: You really -can't- stay blind as it is currently. And I'm still very very sad that a low rank skill does more damage + afflicts compared to a trans one.

EDIT2: Also, how much damage does colourburst do if you stack manabards and everything else on your target? If it does 2k to most people without those already.. I know Kaervas' minorfifth went up to roughly 1500 on me with everything stacked.
Unknown2007-05-26 20:16:12
Now just wait till about 4+ people with Glamours runs in and just about instantly wipes a room with Colourspray spam. It'll be Demonrays all over again.
Ashteru2007-05-26 20:16:23
QUOTE(shadow @ May 26 2007, 08:10 PM) 412187
Well with afterimage lasting like 20 seconds + time to put up sixthsense again, just how many colourbursts can you get in there?

EDIT: You really -can't- stay blind as it is currently. And I'm still very very sad that a low rank skill does more damage + afflicts compared to a trans one.

Remind me, how much damagereduction does Kaer's skill give? How many additional intpoints?
Unknown2007-05-26 20:27:03
QUOTE(Anonymous @ May 26 2007, 09:16 PM) 412188
Now just wait till about 4+ people with Glamours runs in and just about instantly wipes a room with Colourspray spam. It'll be Demonrays all over again.

Except Colourspray doesn't hit your own allies, so better.
Unknown2007-05-26 20:40:14
QUOTE(vale_kant @ May 26 2007, 10:27 AM) 412190
Except Colourspray doesn't hit your own allies, so better.


Demonrays never hit other Noctu, that's all that really mattered.
Unknown2007-05-26 20:43:09
QUOTE(Anonymous @ May 26 2007, 09:40 PM) 412192
Demonrays never hit other Noctu, that's all that really mattered.

The Achaean equivalent hit everybody, which somewhat balanced it for group vs group combat.
Jack2007-05-26 20:53:17
How powerful is it? Is it stopped by shield? Does it work on a system similar to boulderblast/hailstorm where more enemies = lessened chance of hitting?
Ialie2007-05-26 21:13:12
QUOTE(Lendren @ May 26 2007, 03:49 PM) 412184
That's funny, since Ialie does more damage than that (2200) without any of those buffs, without sensitivity, without any afflictions to stack, and with me fully deffed. But then again, she is the primal Rainbowmancer Princess.

(Okay, to be fair, she also has a magic damage booster rune, but just that.)



Ohh Maybe I get a buff for always believing in the power of rainbows!!
Arel2007-05-27 01:45:27
Haven't tested it out, but I should get a buff for sticking with the bards so faithfully!

I hope that the damage on the glamours stuff isn't too extreme with blindness/sixthsense. I'd hate to see the salvation of the bards get nerfed.
Estarra2007-05-27 02:07:53
QUOTE(Arel @ May 26 2007, 06:45 PM) 412225
I hope that the damage on the glamours stuff isn't too extreme with blindness/sixthsense. I'd hate to see the salvation of the bards get nerfed.


If something is "too extreme", then is it really a "nerf" to rebalance it?

Just saying....
Shiri2007-05-27 02:10:25
Some people use the word to mean "weaken" rather than to mean "reduced to uselessness." It's kind of arb and hard to tell which they mean most of the time.
Arel2007-05-27 02:29:17
QUOTE(Estarra @ May 26 2007, 10:07 PM) 412229
If something is "too extreme", then is it really a "nerf" to rebalance it?

Just saying....


Hey, I gotta learn these gaming terms from context of what people say on the forums. It's like learning a second language by reading your first language with random new language words thrown in. Excuse my 1337 ignorance (if that's what the name of this language is, I dunno, don't pwn me, Estarra!).
Lendren2007-05-27 02:29:20
QUOTE(Ayridion @ May 26 2007, 03:55 PM) 412186
However, blindness is meant to be a major defence against Illusions, for obvious reasons, and it most definitely is.

Even when I'm blind, Ialie's colourspray does the same as, or more damage than, her omnitrans maestro-level rune-boosted minorsecond. (Plus an affliction.) So blindness only "nerfs" Glamours down to a level comparable to Music against a non-deaf person.
Kaervas2007-05-27 10:42:03
I think blindness needs to have a greater effect, though not total immunity like with deafness, and aftereffect time needs to be shortened.
Krellan2007-05-27 22:35:04
QUOTE(shadow @ May 26 2007, 03:10 PM) 412187
Well with afterimage lasting like 20 seconds + time to put up sixthsense again, just how many colourbursts can you get in there?

EDIT: You really -can't- stay blind as it is currently. And I'm still very very sad that a low rank skill does more damage + afflicts compared to a trans one.

EDIT2: Also, how much damage does colourburst do if you stack manabards and everything else on your target? If it does 2k to most people without those already.. I know Kaervas' minorfifth went up to roughly 1500 on me with everything stacked.


is that the one that attacks both mana and ego? if it is he hits me for 1500 each, so that's 3000 with the manabarbs and egovice
Kaervas2007-05-28 10:08:08
Manabarbs/egovice wouldn't affect colourburst in the slightest seeing as it doesn't drain mana or ego.
Unknown2007-05-28 10:30:57
QUOTE(vale_kant @ May 26 2007, 10:43 AM) 412193
The Achaean equivalent hit everybody, which somewhat balanced it for group vs group combat.


Note that I explicitly said Demonrays and not Chaosrays.
Daganev2007-05-29 02:32:46
QUOTE(Ayridion @ May 26 2007, 12:55 PM) 412186
However, blindness is meant to be a major defence against Illusions, for obvious reasons, and it most definitely is.


ARRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

I think the "balance" admins need to make up thier mind. Is blindess and Deafness an affliction or a defense?

Its getting fustrating when Estarra constantly says "these are meant to be afflictions!" and they keep getting coded to be defenses.




On a side note, how is a warrior supposed to fight against a bard?
Estarra2007-05-29 02:57:47
QUOTE(daganev @ May 28 2007, 07:32 PM) 412652
ARRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

I think the "balance" admins need to make up thier mind. Is blindess and Deafness an affliction or a defense?

Its getting fustrating when Estarra constantly says "these are meant to be afflictions!" and they keep getting coded to be defenses.
On a side note, how is a warrior supposed to fight against a bard?


The defense should be considered sixsense and truehearing, not blindness and deafness (which are side effects to sixsense and truehearing).

Sure you could be deaf and blind but aren't their side effects worse than the "defense" they grant you (if you don't have sixsense and truehearing--the true defenses).
Krellan2007-05-29 04:11:04
QUOTE(Kaervas @ May 28 2007, 05:08 AM) 412461
Manabarbs/egovice wouldn't affect colourburst in the slightest seeing as it doesn't drain mana or ego.


oh oops I should've specified that I was asking about minorfifth and was a bit offtopic from colourburst.