i forgot to mention that in my post I was wearing a torc which absorbs 10% of the drain so that was actually 90% of succumbs actual drain. I'll make a short edit in my post.

So it was 90% of lashs actual drain too.
And no, succumb does 15% at trans magic.

oh good point for that first one. forgot about that.
and what? to the second? I never gave a percentage of what succumb does, you're the one doing that. Succumb is more powerful than lash in every way being a passive effect and draining more than an active ability. That would be like a choke aeon being longer than a regular aeon. I have higher than trans magic because of a truefavour. It does push it higher. I've noticed it against Forren when we tested some jousting out. both trans riding, with the same steed levels, the favours do push the skill higher than trans.

If succumb really is a guaranteed doubletick right now, that's pretty lame, heh, 15% from the initial drain and then the tick after?

Maybe the ticks should be slowed down, or alternatively, succumb just won't drain anything on the initial message, just something to think about.

Well, the guaranteed doubletick is a bug, afaik.
@ Krellan: I got to 15% because of my own research.

pshhh you're still ignoring that it does more than lash!

I got rid of that point by saying that you can't succumb someone who is already succumbed. Not my fault all Moondancers do is aeon instead of lash!

yeah but then you didn't get rid of the point htat you don't need to succumb someone who is already succumbed! the mana is still ticking away if they're already succumbed!

So two Moondancers never lash at the same time? Odd... I could swear I've seen it happen before.

Anyways, yes, the double-tick every time is a mistake, and it should be getting fixed.

Further, without the double tick, Succumb *should* be doing more than Lash, because it cannot be stacked in a group. (And really, at trans magic, the difference between the two is essentially nothing anyways).

Sparkle and scrolls prolly cover that alone.

pah! I'm cheap!

I thought we were supposed to look at these on a 1v1 sort of view. But I know what you mean about group fighting. The problem is you can't compare group fighting because there's just too many things that are awesome to do in groups for all classes.

Heh I just read the first envoy report in this thread and I kind of miss willowisp.

Except that Succumb is, by design, non-stackable while lash is, by design, stackable. You have to at least consider group implications in balance, even if the focus is 1v1. (See: Changes to room effects that make skills do less damage the more people who are there, for example)

but all of those changes to room effects are done by one person. in a group fight it's hard to even notice if there's a toad around, the toad can easily get away or be instantly cured by someone else and so forth. If you stack lashes, you're losing more important attacks from each person that lashes to go for a toadcurse which isn't an instant kill. I love stomping toads, but Aesyra is right, it's annoying to chase toads when you can't scry them or if they can hop away to graced areas (sanctified or peaced), or when divine fire cures a toad. in a group if a toad hops away people chase them, splitting up one group, but not the other. I agree you have to look at group implications, but I just don't see how it applies so much with lashing as it did with room attacks that a single person could do.

So when now Duststorm is not working on allies, can we have it chnaged so people with Trans Environment can see past it too?

It would made transing environment to have purpose and right now duststorm is just very god skill, maybe even a bit too good.
it should be a way for enemies to see in duststorm too?

I think that spending almoust 300cr for to see past duststorm isnt too low price.

Weathersight currently doesn't get around duststorm?

Nope.

Very very happy with the change to Gore, it seems more worth using now.

Though Kalodan pointed out it was weird how I could impale and gore him again (without him escaping), who knows if that's supposed to be or an oversight.

Weathersight doesn't seem to let you see in any storm

Weird, I'd have expected more outcries about the psi shield.


--Speaking of which, wtf happened, when I was envoy we settled on duststorm working for the GEOMANCER, not his allies. Damnit :/

No changes for my metawake deal.

-sadpanda-