Ah. So it's not a problem with the change per se than with people trying to manipulate its meaning. Ok, I can understand that.

The main people who have a problem with this are past and present members of the Hartstone, all three of us have been and is the Hierophant of the Hartstone. Yes, I am a Druid. I think it would be rather silly if I was the Guildmaster of the Hartstone and was not, infact, a Druid.

And you do business with me Mitbulls, you know exactly who I am.

A bit of clarification on the Saplings, they are not much different than the places that they make their home. Mechanics is the only thing that separates them from being a normal tree. They may be called in by a BT or a HS but they are not the creations of those guilds, they come from the Tree of Trees.

The Nymphs of Faethorn hate that we chop down the trees to produce wood, and Hartstone and Blacktalon have even before put aside their differences for the Nymphs and planted the Saplings within Faethorn. You have no idea the amount of Serens, Hartstone included, who want to chop down these trees but have to be reminded that they are not Wyrden. They are trees from the Tree itself.

Please understand where I'm coming from when I'm saying this, I was frustrated at first but I don't honestly want to let something like this go just because their uses were changed.

Eh? Shorlen, Urazial, Arix and some other druids go about mulching trees on the opposing side quite constantly if I recall. How does this factor into the Nymphs...

Irritation. Urazial I cannot speak for, as he is not a Hartstone or a Seren. Arix and Shorlen shouldn't be, except for the Rowans but I've mention we do have a reason for that.

Not sure what you mean by the last sentance.

edit: Really going to stop arguing this here, it doesn't really belong here anymore and has likely been beaten to death now.

The nymphs only care about the trees in Faethorn, from what they've said around me. I never mulch those, and no other Hartstone should be either. There's nothing unnatural about the natural trees of the Serenwilde or the Glomdoring dying. The Serenwilde mulches theirs only at certain times according to the seasons. As far as I or Shorlen can tell, the Glom mulches theirs whenever they feel like it. So, mulching their trees whenever Shorlen feels like it isn't doing them any more or less harm, it is just adhering to the cycle

This one time, a nymph got upset because a tree got mulched in Faethorn, and it was her favourite one, so at the time we decided to leave the Faethorn ones alone.

This was fine because you could leave the trees alone and still cleanse it and meld at normal efficiency, but now doing so would be disadvantageous.

EDIT: For some reason I forgot I'd left this page on while I was afk and then came back, read and posted it without refreshing. Nm!

Last thing I'm going to say. Mitbulls, they called them in to protect their melds, yes. FROM MAGES. Saplings used to have no effect on other druids, which kind of shoots your "they used to be wyrden anyway" argument full of holes.

I think you could make either case perfectly well IC-ly. Dylara is doing quite well making the case that the trees are perfectly natural and normal.

Personally, I would make the case that they are twisted by the very presence of the wyrd. What is the nature of the land? It's wyrden. What does the tree do? It keeps the wyrd there. The natural blackthornes which grow in the Glomdoring do not have the ability to resist attempts to remove that wyrd. What is it about these blakthornes that imbues them with that power?

As I said, it could go either way, but several of the posts here attacking the admin are not really well-founded.

While I was mistaken, I forgot that you had been heirophants of the Hartstone, you seem to be simply looking at the situation and saying 'that doesn't fit perfectly into what I imagined, it must be wrong.' Part of the fun of Lusternia is adapting to new things as they come up; static RP gets dull. This is a pretty good RP opportunity which can be taken either way, and should be fun to deal with IG, without all of these OOC rants about it.

I think it is great that peple are using the change for an RP purpose, however, I think people who are blaming the admin for ruining things/thier rp, should shut it.

Actually, when the saplings first came out, Lisaera (I think it was Lisaera, at least) told us that the Saplings weren't tainted or wyrded, and that they were completely normal. That the only time to worry about them was if they grew for a long period of time (meaning, to the point where its no longer a sapling but now a full blown massive tree) in the environment. So if a blackthorn sapling grew up in normal forest, it would never be wyrded, so the Druids at least started to ease up on being genocidal.

But this is yet another problem brought on by this game not having a set canon. All the Gods say different things, and then the mechanics change and make what half of them said not applicable any more, even if guilds based their very structure on those words.

That's one thing that would make this game a lot nicer.. if the admin could make a canon regarding each thing, and if they're going to change the mechanic to go against the canon, then they have a small event to explain it. Then everyone would be fine. But the way it is, they're just jerking people around.

Thought this was Envoy Reports, not rants?

Hurry up and report that amputate can be done as easily as pinleg, since pinleg is such an easy yet scary afflict to get in 2 stabs, I think being able to amputate that fast too will add more to AL's and BM's being able to hinder people like BM's can, it would be at least a small step in the right direction for warriors, the most expensive and yet the most non lethal class in Lusty

I completely dissagree with that.

We have a canon, it is called the world library. people should use it more often.

Yes, because the World Library has information about things like the wyrd in Isune's tomb? One Divine says OOCly that its one way, and another says its something else. I don't care if their opinions vary ICly, but when they can't even agree OOCly then its just bad for everybody.

For instance, with the Saplings. They came from the Great Spirit Tree, and are completely free of wyrd or taint or anything. They come straight from the Great Spirit. Now, all of a sudden, with ZERO explanation, the trees are suddenly not pure tree spirits, but rather tinged by whichever side raises them. That is a pretty huge change, and is something that deserves an IC explanation. If you disagree, then that doesn't really matter, because i'm fairly sure that the majority of players would love reasons for everything they might be based on just up and changing.

If its something like "Dazzle is changed from blah to blah" that's not something that needs to be explains, but when you're dealing with something like Saplings, where entire IC truces and such are based off their existance and the way in which they exist, a change can do a lot more than just 'create balance' OOCly. Some envoy tweaks need to be handled ICly. Isn't that what the Ascended God is for anyway?

It affects balance time. That is all.

For all you know, the druid is just not competent enough in the ways of the trees from the opposing forest to do what they want to do more quickly. It still comes from the Great Tree spirit, and they still arn't ethereal/wyrded/sylvan whatever. It is just that now, druids are a bit slower when working with non native trees.

Whatever caused a druid to plant a different sapling than the other druid, now causes them to act more slowly with them.

And the reason behind that should be explained. Its silly that the Druids don't understand why it is suddenly more difficult out of the blue. White Hart, or Crow, or someone should know.

And someone should know why suddenly tae'dae became faster? or why dazzle suddenly doesn't cost as much power? whatever... why is this such an important change when all other basic ballances aren't?


Do some research on it, write a scroll, publish it in your library and it will become canon, and then everybody will know, including you.

Here is a reason for you:

170 years after the comming of Estarra, the Great Tree spirit finally noticed that there was some changes to his being. He noticed the absence of many of the trees of Ackelberry, and became upset with the druid's lack of protection. Because of that, he now made it so that when a druid tries to destroy the forest of another druid, while there are still new trees in the area, they are more slow in doing so, to teach them patience and to teach them the importance of protecting all trees.

*writes that Tae'dae are actually really smart and just pretending to be slow-witted*


*Tae'dae get level 2 equi bonus and 4 points int two days later*

The difference is that you don't have RP built around a tae'dae's exact balance level, or how much Dazzle costs. The saplings are different. More was based on them being exactly the same than you seem to realize. And you don't seem to want to understand that some things are important. Its the same reason why Faethorn has been such a pain in the ass, because there are never explanations for anything. They force one thing down our throats, and then change it when they realize it isn't working, and try and give us yet another bitter pill.

Making the saplings resist the opposing druids is a huge change. It takes the saplings from being just ordinary trees, to being tied specifically with either the Serenwilde or the Glomdoring. Blackthorns and such grow in the Serenwilde. There is no assumable reason except "They're wyrded" that is going to be used to explain why Hartstone are now resisted by Blackthorn trees.

Something that big, that Divine and players have based things around, when changed, deserves an explanation.

That IS what is says in thier helpfile.

However, getting those bonuses would really hinder thier ability to pretend they are slow-witted as well as they have over the past few generations, it would ruin the whole "plausable deniablity" thing.