Oh, I agree, I'm just pointing out that the power reduction isn't as worthless as you say.

What was discussed about Bards in the Townhall meeting by the way? I'm very really curious.

When you find it out, could you post it? Might influence people to buy them if they know the prices. Also, if it's worth it Im going to look into buying one. They're cute.


And a lot was discussed about Bards. Their combat effectiveness, viability of a kill per Commune Bard vs. City Bard, powers, etc.

I guess it is different for druids, but I find being able to run faster than the people I am fighting very handy for when they try to run away.

Int, which is, if you look at it in the right way, as useless as the dex. Since everyone and their mother is going to have a knowledge blessing, crowform just adds some weight instead of int.

When perfection and beauty enchantments will start working like mercy ????????

When will you people learn that weight is not useless? Take now for instance: seals are gone so no one has Knowledge - but people with special forms still get +1 int.

Also helpful for things like if you get hit with a negative Astrology sphere, or if you attend a herofete which when added together with your +1 int weight makes +1 int, or if you get some other weight through some other method.

Yeah, I am always stormed by masses of people using astrology. Well, herofetes are pretty rare, too, so, okay, let me generalize: Usually, the only benefit crowform really gives us is swoop.

This was NOT an envoy change, but I felt I should post it in this thread anyway. Massive nerf, I know, but it does stop raiding of guildhalls and slaying of guild tutors while no one is there, which is a good thing. I think uniting should be cheapened now with this nerf - I'll have to suggest it to the proper envoys.

Quite nerf but with lowering unite cost it should be fine.

This is complete and utter , I am sickened at how people cry and nerf tracking more than any other skill in this game, It now takes 35 seconds to bond seek to a room 15 rooms away. Sorry but that is utter :censor:. Next is bond deliver taking 2 hours to drop something off. Way to fall victim to whining, if it was because of tutors dying, make tutors invincible, simple. But nerf something we pay to have... you just screwed us once again. Half ass upgrades and major nerfs.... If you dont want a tracking class, remove it entirely... stop beating around the bush.


You nerf this because of bond seek going over monoliths, well lemme state moonbeam, demense center, spores all that can land you in a room with a monoloth....

Sorry but for now, I will most like be non active or just on to shoot the breeze with friends. Especially since this even limits your bashing. :censor: like this makes me sick to my stomach. You went one step too far, this time, you nerf the things that are not important, and only one of the 2 reasons for being a tracker, yet leave :censor: like sanctuary, legendary wyrms/turtles, etc.

Sorry you all, but I am about Lusty'd out now.... sad to see that the whining swayed you....

Whoa, calm down and stop over-reacting

Just to clarify to readers: the 15 rooms in 35 seconds was brought up with Estarra and was changed fairly quickly. I'm unsure what the timing is now, but it should be faster. I think 1 sec per room might be ok.

I'm actually phenomenally impressed with how receptive and flexible the admin have been over the past little while to a number of issues, and how much progressive change is in the air.

It is really starting to chip away at my last vestiges of bitter resignation and frustration. Stop it!

If that could be implemented and unite cost lowered i think trackers will be fine.

Sorry Shorlen, it's like the last straw man, pits in water get nerfed (good idea too) but make a pit and let a aqua deepflood it, it works just like a pit in water (never fixed). Yet they way they fixed it NO TRAP works in water, not a legsnare, deadfall, nothing. Only the pits were the problem. Pits in general get nerfed to only hit arms, chest and head. With an envoy working out new things for trackers. You all came up with great ideas to help them. They only half ass put in like 2 or 3 (fluidswim, scale faster?) of the 6 or 7 (I think it was) so major nerf with minor modifications. Now because someone uses a skill to their advantage and figures out a good way to work it, they nerf that too. I am sorry Shorlen, I am quite displeased about it, as I am sure Geb, Ixion, Ciaran, Vesar, Icarus, and a few others will be if they bond seek someone and it takes them 2 mins to seek to them, I mean seeing how it takes 35 seconds to move 15 rooms, that would be 2.33 seconds per room. I dunno... just sick of watching skillsets nerfed over and over with nothing to compensate for the major nerfs.

edit- didn't know she changed it, but still not going to go along with the whole nerf, just because it takes less time doesnt make it less of a nerf to tracking.

This is a lie. Give it a bit of time for the Envoys to discuss things, and you'll have your compensation.

Ildaudid, I suggested that UNITE don't go through Monoliths, and the others don't like the idea instead make Guild Tutors non-targettable by Hounds.

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Okay, I will only say this once, don't care if people will delete this part of my post.

IF YOU THINK YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME, HELL ISSUE ME FOR BEING A SCREWED UP ENVOY WHO'S JUST DOING HIS JOB AND DOING WHAT MY GUILD MATES ARE DOING.

Shorlen it took over 4 months to "compensate" for assault behead (which was told we were supposed to be compensated for, and yes it was OP)

The other tracking skills, they decided not to do them. That is what Geb said, not that they were going to take months to do....


Now with tracking you have

traps (very expensive, cant be used in water)
bond seek (useless now, IMO)
bond unite (which used to cost no power and no willpower but was nerfed to 2p and plenty of willpower)
bond listen (which is funny but more useless too)
pathfind (only skill in the skillset that has any potential)


If you can't see that tracking is being chipped away, then I am sorry for you.... but me.... I think that the whiners who complained about their tutors dying, should be flayed. No one ever came up with the idea, make tutors invincible, or have them cry out.... no its nerf a skill.

Yes I need to calm down, yes I am irate. But this was a major nerf to an already damn near useless skillset. What's next, dart traps can't be envenomed with certain venoms??, Hounds can't clamp??, Bond Delivier takes 30 mins? I mean come on.

How much more can you screw over a skillset.... why not just delete the skillset alltogether....



Proved my point Lysandus. You could have come up with a better way, and you bringing my tell which I made sure everyone knew I told it... on a OOC clan channel who have the more important players on it, well you doing this, just proves you cannot handle anything IC.

You play Turgeis, your side is losing, you suicide. (As Turgeis you are insanely fanatical)
You make Hraddon, Mag starts losing, you whine, you suicide. (Yet in forums you are just as fanatical about Mag now until they fall, which is when you suicide)


You go back to your old alt Lysandas, same M.O. , Yet this time, you end up a GC and an ENVOY?

And couldn't come up with a better idea. Like make tutors invincible, or call for help or something. Now that you posted what you ended up doing here, I am sure your tracking citymates will love you all the more?

I mean people in your city (Celest) hated you, I know a few of them that hated Turgeis and that is why they always jumped Hraddon. You bringing IG tells into the forums, well that may be another reason why they hated you. Sorry bub, you lose.

This is a lie - that WAS suggested, but more perferred a way to keep trackers from teleporting into vacant guildhalls. Apparently, the admins read our discussion or decided it was a problem themselves, and they changed it.

Stop blaming the players' whining. The admin changed it because they decided it was a problem, not because someone pointed out it was unfair.