Does it mean I can't wear a crown having my hood raised?

And I like Morgfyre's style too.

I'm going to use this time to ask... Are there any current major issues that the Envoys aren't addressing (apart from Bards, we know about that one. Gods, do we know about that one)? I don't get much chance to talk to fighters about Envoy stuff other than the other Envoys, since there aren't many in my guild.


Also, if any Stag/Crow warriors have some good ideas on how stagform/crowform could be made useful to warriors, that'd be awesome. Right now, they're really.... not worth even casting. Stagform is barely worth it for DRUIDS to cast, on that note "Here's 15 minor utility effects, only one of which has a chance of actually making a difference in combat or even being noticable for anything but flavour."

One idea that I had, which I have mixed feelings about, is that stagform and crowform give "armor auras" which are +10/+10 armor stats for non-robe armors, just like drawdown/nightkiss give +10/+10/+10 to weapons.

I'm asking about this stuff here, 'cause most of the Stag and Crow envoys have been trying to figure something out for months now, to no avail was wondering if anyone had some random insights on how to make these skills worth the 10p and trans slot. Crowform for druids is really nice, but stagform isn't so nice for druids (though just barely worthwhile), and neither is worthwile for warriors, according to all stag/crow warriors.

Maybe gore needs a stun too... hrm...

Nothing needs more stun. So much stun.

I have no idea what crowform does, but maybe change the stagform thing to +1 con (if it wouldn't be too overpowered)? I think of stags being more tough (but strength would probably be too good) and hardy than...dexterous. Especially with an attack like gore.

And gore, no matter what you do with it, is likely going to always be useless for warriors, in my opinion. If you have them at 50% health and you have balance again, the opponent is likely already in bad shape. If you have them at 25% and you have balance again, they're pretty much dead. Why not just keep hitting instead of goring?

EDIT: And I think armor stat buffs could potentially screw up the game, or so I've heard.

Well, I have an idea... since weapon aura is pretty much an aura that gives the power of a 400 credit artifact, how about giving Stag and Crow some kind of wounding Aura that improves the wounding of a weapon. Nothing too big

or is it too overpowering? Make it 5% or 7% increase to wounding

Stagform is:

+1 dex
+2 rooms per second movement (doubles walking/sprinting speed)
level 1 health regen
Stagstomp is 2p instead of 4p <--- this is the only noticably useful effect for a druid
Parade (active lust) is 0p instead of 1p, and is slightly faster.
Headbutt (gust clone) causes str-based physical cutting damage (500 for me)
Ringwalk gives a 12% chance of stopping movement out of the room instead of 8%.

Allows Gore attack: 2p, physical str-based cutting damage, uses balance: if target has 50% or less health, impales. If target has 25% or less health, instakills. Gore does 500 damage for me, for 2p.

I think gore should be upped to 3 power, and impale regardless of health. Is there still not a way to withdraw antlers?

You can withdraw now.

Why is increased movment not usefull for a druid?

Celerity and health regeneration are the only nice things about Stagform.

How is active lust -not- useful? Its an amazingly useful ability for warriors.

In combat? If I can't run from you with my demesne hitting you, I can't run from you with double movement speed.

I rather like Corinthian's idea of upping wounding.

One of my ideas (as I told Shorlen several times) was that Stagform and Crowform effects should be based on the archetype of the user. I understand how it would just be easier to add effects that benefit one but not the other and vise versa.

Also, doesn't DEX play in to wounding anyways?

Gore always impaling may be useful but.. it sounds kind of nutty to me. Perhaps you need an alternate thing to do while goring instead of withdraw? Perhaps a Rend equivalent?

Actually.. that sounds kind of OP too..

Never said it was worthless, said the cost reduction wasn't worth the 10p it cost to use the skill in the first place. Are you really going to active lust ten times in a fight?


Do you really need to run four rooms a second in the middle of a fight? Ever? With things like briar walls, we can get away just fine with normal movement speed. Plus, we can sprint, we can switch elevations, etc... I really don't see why +2 rooms per second is really that helpful. (during a fight). It's wonderful for hamsterhunts and hunting gnomes with presents - those times and in the arena are the only times I use stagform.

It doesn't have to add up to 10p for it to be worth it. That power you're not spending on parade is power you can spend on lunges.

oooh.. and for those that didn't know

ANNOUNCE NEWS #710
Date: 1/7/2007 at 20:53
From: Estarra, the Eternal
To : Everyone
Subj: Townhall Meeting

Thanks for everyone who attended the townhall meeting! Many things were
discussed, including bards, forging, aetherspace, ascended gods and
demigods.

Some quick changes:
-Phoenix cost for Demigods is as follows: 100k for natural
conglutination, 200k for planar conglutination, 500k for anything else
-Miniatures cost less for jewelers to make and last longer.

Penned by My hand on the 23rd of Dioni, in the year 166 CE.

Rejoice

True, but is that cost reduction alone really worth the trans slot...? It, and all of stag, just seems so inferior to Moon, or Tracking, or.... well, anything.

Wounding Aura for warriors!

10% wounding to weapons

Yeah, dex sucks.

What does Crowform get?

I pushed forever for that miniature change, and one mention in the meeting got it done. Now lets see what the comms actually are now, and if they'll push the skills down to master!