Please remember that the aqua demesne strips elemental defenses. If a person does not take the time to put back up some of them, then the person can expect to take additional damage because of the protection that was lost (Namely fire damage).

Execute seems INSANE to me...

Your math is off shorlen, test more.

All the axelord changes look really nice.

Furrowbrow looks like a decent replacement to scalping, but I got a lot of kills from scalped bleeding. Change to puncturelungs is better, but collapsedlungs might as well be removed or replaced.

FurrowBrow doesn't do that much less, and if you have someone afflicted with it who isn't curing it, they can't attack you or run effectively due to blindness. Also, if you keep afflicting with it, and they keep curing it reasonably quickly, you actually do more bleeding with FurrowBrow since it has initial bleeding, which scalp does not.

I agree about CollapseLungs. I was told it was fine by the warrior envoys though, so I stopped pressing the issue. It seems people think it's fine this way because PB would be overpowered otherwise, since they recieved so many nice afflictions already. Besides, before, it was impossible to afflict with, even if it was really nice if you got it.


Is it really? Flaca sat there hitting me for about five minutes, with me not hindering her, just curing my own deepwounds, and couldn't get me past heavy on head/gut/chest. I think my wounds stayed rather constant at 1,000 each. Of course, the axe she was using wasn't the best in the world for wounding, it was max speed moderate percision (not sure of the exact stats).


Offering to be the next test subject then? Next time I have a break from school work, I'll see if you're around, and we'll do another 3-5 hours of testing.

Yeah collapsed lungs was a huge nerf to PB's, but hey...




Ok so next time I will just say your math is wrong, and you can refrain from calling me an idiot. So keep testing, we all can see Maelstrom is the stronger.... and as Narsrim said.... he can kill 15 people with it and hailstorm.... So maybe you will think on your tests some more

Well. How could he call Ixion an idiot when Ixion didn't explain his thought processes. Ixion's post was highly unhelpful, and best ignored. He might be wrong, but Ixion's brevity stops that being known for sure. You on the other hand...




I love you really, Ild.

Err, it should be easier to kill even more with Pollute... And sorry, it's just extremely irritating after spending three hours testing something for others, putting myself three hours behind on my schoolwork, to be immediately told, "Not good enough for me, do more," by people who are too lazy to test things themselves I felt bad after saying that to you, but meh.

EDIT: For the record, Revan proved he could kill me from full health with pollute + demesne + boulderblast. This was me as a warrior elfen.

Also, could someone post the damage types of boulderblast and hailstorm?

EDIT EDIT: And for that matter, what are the damage types of aqua and geo staves?

Test with an axe like 200/450/170 or better.

Also, have the person testing utilize amputations.

Timing the demesne to hit right before pollute isn't that hard, and with boulderblast, it can seriously destroy any group just as easily as Maelstrom can. The downside, however, is that someone with trans resilience and alot of poison defences (celestines, Glommies and ANYONE with a highfavour-truefavour) can tank most of it, since it's 100% poison. That's the only major downside I see. Intelligence doesn't factor into Pollute, same as Maelstrom, so it doesn't matter if you're titan or not. What does factor is the demesne damage, so feasably, a titan geomancer with high int could decimate a group just from demesne/pollute. However, the other thing is that if people shield, the demesne will not hit them, so it's really only viable if you have a group duking it out with your guys. other than that... pollute + boulderblast/staff = win in many situations

Celestines have poison resistance? Do you mean from Benediction? I never knew exactly what all those buffs did, beyond the 15% magic resist from Resistance...

Et tu, Aiakon...



It's all good Shorlen, I deserved it after my poison comments... so I won't shed anymore tears

Umm gonna try and remember this but I think:

Aqua is like 25%-50% cold... bah I knew this too... I know there is 25%-50% cold and water increases the effect

Geo is Damage Type: 50% Poison, 25% Cutting, 25% Asphyxiation (point staff)
Damage Source: Magical

That makes Geo staves effected 75% by resilience. Ew.

50% cold, 25% blunt, 25% asphyxiation, its big because asphyxiation is hard to resist and the cold is increased with the water thing.

What warrior envoys told you it was fine that Collaspelungs lost the endurance reduction component? I know in my statement on the Envoy boards that I supported the absence of a failure to smoke message caused by Severphrenic only if the endurance reduction on Collaspelungs was not placed back in. If it was placed back in, then I felt some message needed to be added.

Anyhow, it was assumed that Collaspelungs would maintain the endurance loss component, as Shorlen proved to me that one did lose endurance with the affliction before the change. Unfortunately, with the loss of Puncturelung, the endurance loss component was lost too. Oh well, it still is a regeneration cure asthma for the most part, but it is definitely not what I expected when I first made the suggestion.

I actually thought we would finally be able to pull off the blackout with CollaspeLungs, but unfortunately the AB file is incorrect or the skill is bugged. I do remember that when Terenas got the affliction on me way in the beginning of Lusternia, I was blacking out. Therefore, I did bug it, because I am inclined to believe that the AB file is correct.

It wasn't you that I was referring to, however, the Envoy in question said that you supported CollapseLungs without the endurance drain component, stating that you believed it would assist locks anyway, and thus should remain.


It was a misunderstanding of how the affliction worked. Roark was kind enough to elaborate on why it works the way it does. The way it works is this: when a BM gives you CollapseLungs on top of PunctureLung, it does not take away the PunctureLung afflict and give you the CollapseLungs afflict. Instead, as a part of the CollapseLungs afflict, it makes the PunctureLung afflict incurable and invisible on diagnose as long as you have CollapseLungs. Thus, while you have CollapseLungs, you also have the endurance drain of PunctureLung. Also, when you cure CollapseLungs, it does not cure into PunctureLung - what is actually happening is that PunctureLung is invisible until CollapseLungs is gone, and once it is gone, you can see/cure the PunctureLung afflict.

Therefore, the strongest benefit of CollapseLungs is that it prevents the curing of PunctureLung for at least four seconds. Without PunctureLung, CollapseLungs is a gimped affliction that only causes regen-cured asthma.

Yeah the whole loss of the endurance afflict would actually be ok if the AB file was right, or that CollapseLungs is bugged. With the AB file stating that it should give you blackouts, I think that moving it to critical AND taking away the endurance drained that it use to have combined with puntcure lung was too much, and that they should actually look into it and either fix the bug or actually add a chance of blackout every 6-10seconds or so. It would make collapselungs a skill that is worthy of critical status then. If they won't put blackout in, could they at least change the AB file to correct it, and possibly make it so the endurance drain comes back some?

Will a divine comment on Collapse Lung please (begs Roark and Estarra), and let us know if this was actually never implemented and the AB file has been wrong, or if it is something that Collapse Lung should be given. (It is hard to think that it is a typo when it is a complete sentence. not like a letter off or anything.)

SeverPhrenic needs to be changed if the endurance drain is put back in, as I said before to Roark. Namely, the endurance drain of SeverPhrenic needs to be removed, or reduced to half of what it currently is. It would be an insane combo otherwise.

I prefer to test things myself and use first hand knowledge and experiences before making conclusions. As with most people, I'm always happy to help them bring things to light. Your comment was a bit off color, and rather naive. I indicated that his numbers were off, and as such he needs to test a bit more before making any solid balancing opinions. I personally am glad to have help in things that I do not know. Moving on, Shorlen I can help you test and evaluate them when I get a spare moment if you desire.

I wanted to test with you since you have trans resilience. Next time I'm in game, I'll go looking for you, an aqua, and a geo, for testing the three skills... again...