Faeling Specialization

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Unknown2005-04-23 17:35:50
The level three balance should be removed. Make it Level one or nothing at all.
Ialie2005-04-23 17:36:40
I'm not sure.. that Serenwilde will have any faelings. There is really no point in being a seren faeling besides rolepaly (but few choose a race for roleplay) When you can generally be the same thing in glomdoring only all uber and stuff.
Sylphas2005-04-23 17:42:04
QUOTE(Icarus @ Apr 23 2005, 12:17 PM)
While I feel for Elryn and Ialie, that there isn't much point in being a Seren faeling any more, then we must remember there are other crappy races that people have been begging for a review from day one: Krokani? Orclach? Taurian?

Now looking back, it's obvious that the level 3 balance upgrade you got earlier was done with Shadowlords in mind  sleep.gif . Unfortunately, it's just how Lusternia is, either pray to the gods that the admin see things the way you do and wait for them to balance out, or cough up 100 credits and reincarnate. Not much sense or rp in that, but that's the price you have to pay for a superior race.

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I can't say I've been a faeling forever, but I started as one, and finally came back to one because they're finally viable, only to get shafted a few hours later. I don't care if makes my RP look weak, or whatever other claims can be made, but I'm really bitter right now. Everything we've been asking for, has been basically locked somewhere where we can look but not touch. How many people working for Glom were faelings, really?

By giving them a specialization, the Administration basically said, "Look, faelings are weak. But now, they're good." Doesn't help the ones who are always going to be weak now, and never get a chance at balance, since they have a specialization. *mutter*

I really, really wish they'd offer a free reincarnation. It'd help fit the population figures they're obviously aiming for, without costing everyone even more, in addition to having to get all new skills.

/rant
Icarus2005-04-23 17:45:24
QUOTE(Ialie @ Apr 24 2005, 01:36 AM)
I'm not sure.. that Serenwilde will have any faelings. There is really no point in being a seren faeling besides rolepaly (but few choose a race for roleplay)  When you can generally be the same thing in glomdoring only all uber and stuff.
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Well you are still nimble and pretty wub.gif .

Can't imagine what a shadowlord would look like. 2 ft tall, leathery bat wings, and muscles muscles muscles. yikes.gif
Jadryga2005-04-23 17:57:12
QUOTE(Icarus @ Apr 24 2005, 01:08 AM)
You can think up all the rp reasons for having uber faelings, I think the point of the argument being they are vastly superior to another race of similar concept, superior to many other races in fact and that creates an imbalance.
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Pssh, read my previous posts. I already stated that they ARE imbalanced, need a bit of tweaking, BUT I agree with the RP base.

Ialie, if the faeling players are more into RP, it really doesn't matter which commune they're in, so Seren would be the same as Glom. If they are more into combat, they most likely wouldn't have chosen faeling in the first place. I think there'll be more NEW faelings popping up in Glom, than there will be faelings migrating from Seren.
Roark2005-04-23 18:51:40
The level 3 balance was not intended for the Shadowlords. I suggested it in reference to them, but Estarra told me that Faelings were always supposed to have it since the beginning. That is why faelings in general got it rather than (what I suggested) just the shadowlord faelings.

City and commune races are not exclusive to their land. A faeling outside of Glomdoring is just as good now as he was a month ago. If there ever was a tae'dae commune to open (which could also have been the race for Glomdoring; it had to be a nature-oriented race since Glomd oring is based on nature magics) then existing tae'dae would still be just as good in their respective guilds as before. So from game mechanics, there is not really a change. If you chose a race before Glomdoring because you wanted the commune bonus then you should have chosen elfen, merian, or viscanti, not tae'dae, faeling, etc.

The only real thing I can see here causing controversy is players who think that their race's existing position should be left untouched or those who think that a race only deserves to exist in its specialized city, thus "downgrading" the value of being a Seren faeling. The first controversy is unavoidable and will probably happen when the next commune opens or new cities open (other than the obvious Hallifax and Gaudiguch). Had we chosen furrikin or tae'dae, or even mugwump naturalists (Glomdoring can be swampy), etc., all of which were viable choices, some members of those races would be annoyed while some happy. Indeed, even giving elfen multiple commune specializations between the two would be controversial for those elfen players that think elfen should be a pure noble race, and are traitors to the realm for enslaving the fae, and for non-elfen that say it's unfair for elfen to have two specizialized locations. As for diminishing faeling value in Serenwilde, note that if we open a furrikin commune or a tae'dae commune then they will still be just as at home in Serenwilde and Glomdoring if that's where they currently are. The best place of value should be determined by your character's worldview. If you are a faeling who loves nature but hates evil then Serenwilde is still the best place for you. Similarly, if you are an elfen who wishes to enslave nature and rule the world with an iron fist, Glomdoring is the best place for you.
Shiri2005-04-23 18:57:29
While you are right about the Faelings not getting any worse, it's also an indication that they're not going to get any BETTER. Which they need. That's what depresses them, since they thought Faeling was a historically viable Serenwilde choice. It'd be like if all the Merian lived in Serenwilde to start with, before Celest was released, though in the histories it had been populated by, say, mugwumps, and then suddenly out of the blue, though the unspecialised Merian are all crying for upgrades because their race sucks, Celest gets released, Merian get specialisation, and all the Seren Merian get PO'd.
Sylphas2005-04-23 19:02:32
*nod Shiri* The balance made them just good enough to go back to. With the hope that in the future, they might get better. Without that hope, being a faeling is going to be a whole different thing, for me at least. I'm giving it a week, and reincarnating at the end if I'm still feeling like this.
Thorgal2005-04-23 19:14:15
All that is purely subjective, almost everyone thinks their race needs upgrades.

For those that aren't faeling, it's pretty obvious the thing they don't need, are upgrades, since they're already much better than a lot of other unspecialized races, just think of furrikin, krokani, orclach, lucidian and taurian.

If you specialize a good race, it's gonna get -really- good, that is what happened with faeling.
Unknown2005-04-23 19:25:09
QUOTE(roark @ Apr 23 2005, 11:51 AM)
or even mugwump naturalists (Glomdoring can be swampy), etc., all of which were viable choices, some members of those races would be annoyed while some happy.
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Lies. There's only like 5 Mugwumps.
Ialie2005-04-23 19:26:05
Mugwump would have been perfect for this specialization
Thorgal2005-04-23 19:27:49
Not as good as faeling, since faeling are attuned to nature, and glomdoring is a nature commune.

Nature isn't something only-serenwilde you know, reread Roark's post instead of ignoring it tongue.gif.
Shiri2005-04-23 19:29:03
Mugwumps would have been way too random. And are awesome anyway. sleep.gif
Ialie2005-04-23 19:29:06
swamps are nature. Mugwumps are attuned to nature. They gain regeneration in swamps You have a big swamp in glomdoring.
Thorgal2005-04-23 19:29:42
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 23 2005, 09:29 PM)
Mugwumps would have been way too random. And are awesome anyway. sleep.gif
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Exactly smile.gif.
Roark2005-04-23 19:33:55
Mugwumps in modern times have actually been drawn to the cities. They are sort of like a nature race that has rejected their roots for the urban life. Though of course there could be a mugqump heritage movement some day in the future that tries to restore their roots.

As for racial upgrades, it is not out of the question. I can't promise anything, but races could be adjusted at any time, regardless of their status as a city race. But I don't understand this, if faelings are supposedly so bad, why does anyone choose them? Krokani sucks and no one chooses them. And if it's for RP only, which is about the only reason I'd see anyone taking on krokani, then the stats would not be the issue.
Jack2005-04-23 19:34:08
See, this is why I dread the dracnari specialisations.

I know they'll be insanely good.
Ialie2005-04-23 19:35:44
I am a faeling only for rp purposes, but you already said the problem. I believe soon I will be the only faeling in Seren It will be uncommon to be a true faeling.


It will soon be as uncommon as a Geomancing Merian.
Jadryga2005-04-23 19:37:17
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 24 2005, 02:57 AM)
While you are right about the Faelings not getting any worse, it's also an indication that they're not going to get any BETTER. Which they need. That's what depresses them, since they thought Faeling was a historically viable Serenwilde choice. It'd be like if all the Merian lived in Serenwilde to start with, before Celest was released, though in the histories it had been populated by, say, mugwumps, and then suddenly out of the blue, though the unspecialised Merian are all crying for upgrades because their race sucks, Celest gets released, Merian get specialisation, and all the Seren Merian get PO'd.
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Thing is, Shiri, I think you're talking from a combat point of view. RP wise there is no better or worse faeling, they're as they were meant to be. Small, fragile, disgustingly agile and nimble.
Unknown2005-04-23 19:41:15
QUOTE(roark @ Apr 23 2005, 12:33 PM)
Mugwumps in modern times have actually been drawn to the cities. They are sort of like a nature race that has rejected their roots for the urban life. Though of course there could be a mugqump heritage movement some day in the future that tries to restore their roots.
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I'll give you a cookie if you make Mugwumps the specialisation race instead of Faeling. Deal?!