A lucidian is not a CPU. Enough said.

Ok, not that I was insisting on it anyway. I guess I read too much Terry Pratchett, heh... if even my words that they work like CPU carry as much weight as your ones - because of lack of any proof on the both sides of the argument.
About 'malleable crystal'. Ok, right. But why 'susceptiblity to blunt' then? Since it's malleable, it should not be susceptible to it.
And, anyway, their drastic difference in metabolism should make usual potions and herbs be ineffective on them.
P.S.
Oh, and I agree about balance > realism/logic.
But why not make them both logical and realistic in the first place?

Because. You try making a game with that many starting races, and have them all be fairly unique.

I have my own image of a lucidian (after all, this is what it's all about, imagination), and they don't look like titan/golem/crystal yeti for me. I picture them as rather slender creatures with crystalline 'skin' which is serrated and light gets fractured on it, but it's not scales. They're susceptible to crushing damage because that kind of skin structure breaks when it's crushed, shatters of it hurt the inside even more. Inside their body is a living tissue, which explains why they bleed, have to eat and so on. They're living beings.

That's my vision, you can have yours, it only needs to apply to basic info that's given in the helpfiles and history.

Unless some divine says I'm wrong here.



*sagenod
That's an example. Make it so it fits.



But was it somehow approved by a divine and were you said it's correct and that's how they are, or is it just your way of imagining them?

Well, if I did, I'd certainly try and make them realistic and balanced, why?
And besides, the only really unique race is abovementioned lucidians.
All other are "animal crossbreeds" (cat-people, lizard-people, bear-people, etc), or a bit edited standard fantasy races.
I greatly respect amount of work you put into the background of this MUD... but, unfortunately, the only really unique race you have looks screwed. (At least, in my eyes. Call me picky if you wish). No wonder people are complaining that you don't see many lucidians around. (Compare them to number of merians, heh).
And, having your sig in mind, I'm not whining cause playing lucidian is too hard or something. I'm trying to make this place better... in fact, even if playing one will become harder after the tweaks, I'll be completely happy - so long as they become a logical race they suppose to be .

'ere

Their innards are made of hard crystals, surrounded by a sea of liquid crystal with a hard gemlike covering which is susceptable to blunt damage because of wham bam, the covering breaks leaving the innards vulnerable.

They can float because their density is less than water, which allows them to swim effectively.

They can regenerate health and mana via the sun (which btw is a bug, because my Lucidian regenerates at night as well) because of a special organ which transfers the limited light which shines through their body into such, thus mending mental and physical resources.

They need to eat normal food because they still have the similar digestive system but can digest the food into the liquid crystal that serves as their body.

Hmm, I think that covers everything...

However, I do think that Lucidian should be invulnerable to skin allergies because they can heal from them.

So let's quit arguing because I'm always right

This is how I think a lucidian barely looks like:



That is Iceman.

Anyway, take a look at how the lucidian description exclaims they are magical, thusly, their anatonomy may be a challenge to logic... It is their minds that are completely attached to logic and reason. They can be made from crystals that absorb the light and because of that they heal. And whatever Aebrin and others said, I just wanted to post the picture.

Just remember= Magic defies logic, Lusternia is a magical place and Lucidians of the most magical beings. So, it sounds reasonable to me that their make up could defy logic, this nontheless I think is void of their love for logic.

This is a FANTASY world. Logic most certainly does not apply.

Let's take for example, Aquamancers.
Can I put my hand underwater and summon a staff?
Can I summon hailstorms out of nowhere?
Can I channel latent energies in water?
Do said latent energies exist for me to channel?
Do I have the potential to ravage the entire world by breaking said staff?

Answer to all of those questions in Lusternia: Yes.
Answer to all in real life: Absolutely not.

As far as I'm concerned, Lusternian logic is completely dissociated from "real-world" logic.

Hmm I haven't tried any of the above, let me get back to you...

Grrrr...
Are you guys reading what I wrote, or just dismiss w/o reading?
When you create a setting, you can set any new rules, or edit existing ones, including laws of different laws physics, if you think that you are really tough/smart. (Cause it can have REALLY far-reaching results)
But then, if you don't stick to your own rules, it's not 'magic', or fantasy - it's a screw-up! Or worse, it’s Fairy Tale! Now fairy tales are bound to be off-limits to logic... because they are made for kids, and kids are not interested in logic - they are interested in it to be bright, flashy and fascinating. But don’t tell me that this MUD is oriented towards kids? It’s, in fact, reads as adult-oriented.
Why Jordan is so liked, for instance? Cause he waters his novels too much? No, because even his 'magic' is logical, and that appeals to people (at least, to most his fans that I know). No magic-wand waving kids stuff.
And, like I noted, laws of physics cannot be drastically different - cause there are humans there, and they can survive - so, they are pretty close.
So, bleeding solid-crystal beings that eat carbon-based food is just way too far-fetched.
You make 'logical' beings of living crystal - you make them right or not at all! Am I wrong or what?
Or, again, I want official, logical explanation how they work. The help file is misleading.
P.S.
Logic will be logic EVERYWHERE. It will just work with different sets of rules and constants/variables.
Now, can I command air escape you lungs? No. But what if I can locally adjust chance of random air molecular movement so it will fly out of your lungs somehow? It's not impossible altogether, if will take like a few timespans of the universe (from Big bang to collapse) to happen the 'natural way'. And if science unlocks probability mechanics...
Anyway, magic is not something that makes everything possible by definition. It's affecting material world with indirect (informational) means.
Is there a difference between Soros bankrupting a country by a few keystrokes on his PC, or necromancer putting a curse on a kingdom by muttering a spell?
At least, result is the same - country is in ruins.
Magic is something that science has not discovered yet. For a lot of time people thought that hypnosis is a myth, for instance.

A person can be turned into a toad here... explain that logically.

You, I think, are taking the lucidian's "logic" to the extreme. I think they are crystal made brutes magically placed together, that have no real feelings thusly they stick to reasoning 99% therefore loving logic so much and being logical. The lucidians themselves don't really need to be completely "logical" following certain rules of physics from the real life or anything. Lucidians are beings of magic that vaguely resemble crystal humanoids (humanlike characteristics).

Also, maybe the lucidians can bleed green gunk, and that be their bleeding, or liquified crystals, or something... and that's their "blood". Just take a look at the iceman picture and say "Ah, Lucidians are fantastical. As such, they could even be metal bunnies that measure a thousand feet high and possess thirty-six extremities". Lucidian's logic lies on the inside of the creature.

Well first of all, you're still taking preconceived notions of realism from the real world and trying to develop a catch-all package of what is as you say magic versus a fairy tale. Unfortunately, the point is you cannot utilize preconceived notions as to what is realistic from the real world's point of view and apply it to Lusternia. A mechanical robot in the real world is merely a collection of gears programmed to do things or react, whereas in Lusternia, I can breathe life into said "golem" and give him self-awareness and reasoning. As for the Lucidians drowning immediately in water... how does a ship float? No one ever said they Lucidians are particularly dense mass-wise. A simple explanation would be their crystalline structure is akin to a "cell" with air within. As for their vulnerability to blunt damage... because of the airy nature of their structure, they shatter more easily. Ultimately in any fantasy world, there has to be some suspension of belief and the only person that can truly say whether something can or can't happen is the creator themself. Just because you apply a real world rule to Lusternia, doesn't mean the creator applied it. If I want to say that a rock floats in my world, then that rock will float. Such is the nature of fantasy.

I think you're going about this backwards, Balor. You're looking at the description of the race and then trying to use logic to arrive at what their stats and properties should be. Instead, try taking their current stats and properties and using logic to arrive at what their physical description is.

Not in Lusternia. Maelstrom is rubbish

Who's Jordan?

Robert Jordan.

And am I the only person who thought of Lucidians as humanoids (as in, they look human) but with crystaline skin?

Maybe my imagination is being lazy but that's the picture that's stuck in my head.

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Hmm... I like your description. So, they are crystal, but their structure is 'cellular', and perhaps there is some sort of liquid circulating between those cell - which will nicely explain their blunt susceptibility and bleeding (and regenerating abilities). Bravo! You can tell a God just by his reasoning - your is perfect.
However, I'm still not sure why they should catch human diseases, affected by poisons, and use normal food - their "unique physique" is drastically different from one of humans (or other humanoids). And I still think that should not only heal, but feed from sunlight.
Also, how they move? Golems move by a web of strong enchantment put on them - and, most likely, their joints are either crafted like joints of robots, or made malleable thru magic.
However, since lucidians have to grow their joints, I guess it's a mix of two of them - malleable crystal skin and cartilages, + extra strong crystal bones.
Ok, but do they have muscles? Crystals and muscles don't fit together well, even in my imagination. If their are inherently magical, they can utilize their inner magic to move - the very way golems move.
But that'll make them immune to paralysis with usual means, don't you think? They can still be bound, of course.
But, I guess, they can be vulnerable to dispels, which wrecks havoc on their 'inner system', rendering them inoperable for a while.
If you take my theory, of course.

I'm with Drago. I always thought of them as just a normal creature (it says humanoid, so let's say for example inside the crystal they are similar to a human), but with crystal skin.

Humanoid means that they have 2 legs, 2 arms and something resembling head. On inside, they can be drastically different.
And just crystal skin will not explain their regenerative abilities and magic resistance - at least, it would contradict their description in the help.
And about food - what their crystal is made of? Definitely not carbon, cause only carbon crystal I know of is diamond... don't you be telling me that they are made of diamonds! They'd go from endangered to extinct species in years, heh. Not to mention, while diamonds are not unbreakable, they'd definitely be really resistant to all damages.
And if they are not carbon, why would they eat carbon-based food? It does not contain anything that want - it will not satiate them.

I say that logic-obsessed person was PWNED by Raezon ;/