Recently the matter's come up IG, where the Moondancer champ decided to establish an "Inquisitor of the Waning Moon" for making sure people obeyed the guild laws. We had a bit of an argument IG, and I've no wish to bring the arguing on to the forums (no forum-rp please!), but I'm honestly at a loss, so I thought I'd ask here.

Is making sure the guild laws are being kept the province of the GC or GA?

I really think it's the job of everybody. I mean hey, it's everyone's guild, so everyone should try to make sure no laws are broken. However if I had to choose one, I'd choose GA. GC is about teaching combat etc.

Definitely GA. That's pretty much the entire point thereof. Champion is for combat-related things and commune security.

Yup, GA.

Depends though, if the guild laws are completely internal then it's GA, if it's about guild members relating to the commune then it's GM. If it's dealing with offensive actions against the guild then it's GC but can go to GM for some things.

The ebonguard has the GC in charge of "discipline" and the GA in charge of "advancement"

Or atleast, it did at one point in history.

It all depends, really. It's up to you. In the Shadowdancers, the GM and GA work pretty much as one, but then again, that's not always true, because sometimes we get GM's and GA's that don't like each other, and so things get de-centralized, and sometimes both the GM and GA's are inadequate, and the GC ends up holding the guild up. It all depends on what you're comfortable with.

It's the job of whoever is most capable of getting it done. If the discussion was being held between the GA and GC, the answer is the GM or a secretary of the GM's choosing, because you don't need permission, title, or official standing for something as simple as enforcing stuff that's in writing, and if you believe that permission, title, or official standing will help you get it done, you won't get it done.

On my oppinion it depends on how it always has been handled before in that guild, aka if the GC always handled it, it's the GCs job, if GA, then GA. If it has been handled differently before, and you want to change it, prepare for a looong time of discussions.

So true. A fair few guilds would benefit from concentrating on getting the work done and not worrying about who's titled what.

I think it depends-- in the Serenguard Letter, power is split up this way:



So techincally, the GM is the last stop in matters of law and discipline. Yet part of that also falls under administration for the GA, and if the laws broken are hurting the Seren, then the GC should get involved. Of course, the way things usually are done, the three leaders decide most things together with the input of the Chieftain's Circle. I think it works a lot better if everyone works together instead of one person in charge of something as big as discipline.

The way I saw it, the GM and GA weren't doing anything to enforce guild laws, the GC was keeping an eye out for it but couldn't be around all the time. So something was made so more people could get involved without feeling like they'd be targetted for stepping out of line in doing something like enforcing guild laws, and more people can keep an eye out for it. The fact that seeing most the administration either not around/not doing anything even when they see something happen didn't help in thinking that they'd actually disfavour people for breaking guild laws.

Wait guys can we take a moment to realize that this person is installing someone as an INQUISITOR? HOW AWESOME IS THAT?

And, on a serious note, who cares whos province it is? Guilds can choose how they operate on their own. If the guild doesn't agree with the power the champ is trying to take, with this move, then they can elect a new champ.

carry on.

Yep, that's one of the things I love most about the SG. Nothing really gets done because one person decides to do it. Basically everyone gets a say in things. The process is slower than what some other guilds do, yes, but it eliminates 99% of all issues once things are put into place.

@Dyr: Not always true. Shuyin doesn't rescue as much as he should. We've tried to take him off GC, but he justs pinlegs and beheads. He's out of control! And that Everiine woman. She's got an iron grip over all the braves. I swear she's trying to train an army of Braves to take us all down should anyone ever contest. And don't get me started on Ehona...

^ I'm with this dude. I want to see McCarthyism in the Moondancers now.

It's just like in Harry Potter!

Just lure the High-Waning-Coven-Moon-Inquisitor-Person into a group of angry centaurs, and the problem is fixed.

Heh, it wouldn't be too hard to imagine that-- really all it took was a small group of Hartstone destroying the most sacred mausoleum of the Centaur and wham, the Centaur vitually annihilated the druids. Just frame the Inquisitor for doing something like that and you won't have much of a problem.

Small group of Hartstone = Entire group of Hartstone past and present and future blamed.

(I'm teasing! Well, it did happen, but I'm teasing about it right now. )

In all seriousness, I'll agree with what someone else said.

The enforcement and creation of laws falls best on the people who are most capable of doing it, god knows we've had plenty of GM's, GA's and GC's that are not the type of people we want enforcing or creating these things!

ZOMG, why didn't I think of that?

Anyway, it's the Serendrama all over again now. The fact that the inquisitor is a GR1 who joined not too long ago and who got favoured to GR5 for this doesn't really help. So now there's a bit of an uproar, Sarrasri and Aramel aren't talking to each other, Laysus grumped and told both (I assume it's both, that is) to shut it, and started a vote in a clan for some reason instead of the whole guild.

May you live in interesting times, indeed.

I'll ask you again. Are you, or have you ever been, a snuggler?